[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I understand that there is no makings on entrie forms for color. That is not what I am saying. I am very familiare with showing animals. Have been doing it for years. Non ask for color of the animal on the entrie from unless it is a color registry type show. What I do not want to run into is the problem of at some point is someone saying hay that dog does not match the papers. Them makes a big stink about it.

That's not going to happen in corgis. Questions about parentage or identification, well then they are going to go to DNA profiles, microchip and/or tattoos - permanent identifications. There a few parent clubs which require DNA profiles before a dog can be entered in their National specialities, but again, doesn't apply to corgis.

Although since they do to ask for you to provide pictures or markinds of the animal when they are registered. Which I think is wrong. There is very little way to know if that is the correct dog for those papers.

With what registery are you registering her? NOT on the AKC papers I have to sign and get in the mail for my new Cardigan puppy they don't. Pictures are only required in AKC for ILP's (Indefinite Listing Privileges) and those are for dogs known to be purebred but with no AKC registration papers available - such as the case with rescues. Dog's that are ILP'd have to be neutered and cannot compete in conformation.

I do very much understand how differnt genes work on color. All I need to know is which are considered bass color and which are dominant over the other.

Which you were told - red and black, with red being dominant over black.
From those of around 40 years of corgi breeding experience, they say the surest way of getting a sable is to breed a black headed tri to a pure for red.

Modifiers are not truely dominent or recesive like that of basse color they just modify a color. However when they are there they are expressed as long as the gene they modifie is present. If not then it is said to hide. Delutes again are the same they are a expressed if present. They look differnt in the hetrozigous form then the homozigous form. However some delutes can hide is some colors but this is rear.

In Pembrokes there isn't but one dilute to be concerned about, the other one would still produce a "legal" color. Cardigans is a whole 'nother ball game and there are some color breeding restrictions IF one is breeding with the Code of Ethics of the CWCCA. Modifiers can also be autosomal dominant, so it only takes on copy of it in order for it to be expressed. In the case of merle for example, homozygous - two copies of it can produce health issues potentially.

I'm going out on a limb here with this question, is your breeding experience in horses by chance?

Although I NEVER breed for color it is fun to know the posibilities anyway and understand the genetics behind breeding.

Which is exactly why there shouldn't be the big hoopla over what color to register your puppy, her breeder should be able to answer that with no problem IF she knows her basic genetics and the colors behind her dogs.

Debbie