Corgi females v males

[Michael Romanos]

Peggy - it's lovely that you have asked so many people but really speaking it is the people like canine behaviour experts and experienced high performance canine trainers one would turn to in order to construct a formed opinion about female versus male trainability. It maybe that the differences emerge at top levels of competition performance where the training, understanding and other factors are at a high pitch.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Peggy - it's lovely that you have asked so many people but really speaking it is the people like canine behaviour experts and experienced high performance canine trainers one would turn to in order to construct a formed opinion about female versus male trainability.

Well knowing some of the individuals Peggy "interviewed" myself, "experienced high performance canine trainers" would describe them quite accurately.

It maybe that the differences emerge at top levels of competition performance where the training, understanding and other factors are at a high pitch.

Which would discount the study you quoted in the article as it dealt at training at low levels, correct? Another factor to consider is that "highly trainable" does not always mean "easily trainable." A dog that can be trained with repetition can be easier to train than one that that a trainer has to think up new and inventive ways to keep a dog interested in training.

Debbie

[Michael Romanos]

I have never read the American study on dog training. An American study and its relevant majior finding was spoken to me by Dr Stafford.
The subject of female dog superiority came to me in a conversation with Dr Karen de Wit who is on the NZ national agility board, is a topline agility handler (NZ representative competitor in Australia) and trainer/instructor, runs a general dog training and grooming business and is a vet.

[glencorgi]

So you are telling us your "article" is basically nothing more than an opinion piece. You cite an article you've never read (and which according to several "experienced high performance canine trainers" is largely discounted today), and base your conclusions on the opinions of sources who agreed with your premise; not seeking out conflicting opinions from equally credible sources. (?)

Debbie

[Dillydoodle]

Debbie,
you sound surprised <g> .... The "articles" Michael writes and quotes as if they are fact have been based on biased opinions (the best food to feed article, where he sites Dr Cave but never talked to any other "nutritional veterinary experts") or his own personal opinions and deductions based on one or two people's experiences with similar views rather than objective research where one talks to people on BOTH sides of an issue... We have seen this time and time again, thus the reason i take every "fact" stated here with a grain of salt...


Emilie

[glencorgi]

Well even the generalizations in the post beginning this thread did not hold up once experiences with Alice, the female Pem were shared.

Debbie

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Peggy - it's lovely that you have asked so many people but really speaking it is the people like canine behaviour experts and experienced high performance canine trainers one would turn to in order to construct a formed opinion about female versus male trainability. It maybe that the differences emerge at top levels of competition performance where the training, understanding and other factors are at a high pitch.

Some of the people I quoted are obedience instructors and have classes. And IMO, breeders ARE canine behavior experts. They have lived with their various breeds from birth to death. Most have owned or own currently more dogs than you will own in a lifetime. They see a huge variety of personalities and temperments in their chosen breed. Who better to make these observations than a breeder?

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I have never read the American study on dog training. An American study and its relevant majior finding was spoken to me by Dr Stafford.
The subject of female dog superiority came to me in a conversation with Dr Karen de Wit who is on the NZ national agility board, is a topline agility handler (NZ representative competitor in Australia) and trainer/instructor, runs a general dog training and grooming business and is a vet.

How many dogs of both sexes has she lived with? Of what breeds? How many has she trained?

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

Karen and her husband, Peter currently own several dogs, male and female - Border Collies and farm heading dogs - but she is a trainer for all breeds of dogs and an agility instructor for all breeds. They have a 15 year old agility grand champion Border Collie who was still competing for top placings in agility at senior (masters) level at age 13. The pair attended the 2007 world agility champs in the Netherlands and brought back video of dogs competing there including several Pem Corgis of which one was owned/handled by a Japanese representative.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Karen and her husband, Peter currently own several dogs, male and female - Border Collies and farm heading dogs - but she is a trainer for all breeds of dogs and an agility instructor for all breeds. They have a 15 year old agility grand champion Border Collie who was still competing for top placings in agility at senior (masters) level at age 13. The pair attended the 2007 world agility champs in the Netherlands and brought back video of dogs competing there including several Pem Corgis of which one was owned/handled by a Japanese representative.

Well, some of the people I quoted have the same type credentials. I just don't see the need to name drop as no one on this forum would know them anyway. The gal with the Terv and Pyrean Mountaian dog has numerous titles in various venues (conformation, obedience, rally, herding, agility) on Pembrokes and Tervs. And is starting out with her PMD. She teaches obedience classes and she is an AKC rally judge.

And it's the same with the names you drop. Other than recoginzed breeders like Leslie Chalmers, the names don't mean anything to us in the US as they're not known names. They may be well known experts to you but they're unknown to us.

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

Peggy, Peggy, Peggy. I didn't quote either Karen or Peter de Wit in the article I wrote. Others were more qualified. Go consult with the very top American canine behaviourists, very top American all breed dog trainers for high performance dog sports (not recreational activities), people like Cesar Millan and get a consensus and report back to Go Corgi.

[glencorgi]

Michael, Michael, Michael; Cesar Millan is not a dog trainer - he "rehabilitates dogs and trains people" - directly quoting him. Nor does he train for high performance dog sports.

Of the people I know that Peggy interviewed, I promise you and the members of this forum, that their credentials are just as solid as those from whom you have solicited opinions.

Debbie