Pembroke & Cardigan Welsh Corgi

Dillydoodle · 10-10-2006, 09:44 AM

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Checkers · 10-10-2006, 10:33 AM

I have to disagree on some of the advice given. Firstly, not to take anything away from Petco or Petsmart because they can be great for a dog just wanting to learn obedience tricks, but most of their trainers are not qualified to handle a dog that has already exhibited some issues as Milo has. Also... the last thing I would do is sit him in my lap and pet him when another dog is around. This would be doing two things for him.... first, by sitting on top of you, he would automatically be put in a leadership position... where he has to make decisions for himself wether he is secure or not. Also... by petting him, cooing to him and such while he is in a fearful state all you would be doing is reinforcing his fear. You would basically be telling him "Good boy for being afraid... you should be afraid... these doggies are here to attack you". This is hard to explain in type and the main reason I think you would be much better to look up a dog trainer in private practice and quiz them on their experiences with dogs that have had trouble with other dogs. Then ask them if you can sit in on one of their group classes to get an idea for how they handle dogs, and if that method is one you are okay with.

Please understand that I have made ALL the mistakes (that I now know were mistakes) that have been mentioned... and I can speak first hand how they made my dogs worse, not better. I have dealt with fear based aggression.... aggression to other dogs... all of that. Cheyenne is much better now than she was 6 years ago when I wouldn't even take her to the park for fear we might see another dog and I wouldn't be able to control her. Now I take her to the park daily and she is allowed to calmly sniff other dogs without me having any fear. The good news is that you have much more access to knowledge now thanks to the internet than I did when I was getting started... and you are a wonderful owner for seeking out that information and trying to do the best you can for Milo. Many, many kudos to you for that.

-Cheryl

Chip's Mom · 10-10-2006, 10:44 AM

Everyone handles their dog differently and I would definitely put Chip on my lap if he was afraid and I would comfort him. To Chip that would give him reassurance that all was well in his world. If something scares Chip, he runs to me and wants up on my lap or at least to know I am close by. If I know what is causing the fear, I would gently lead him to it to investigate and I would talk to him and pet him along the way. This has worked for me. I don't know much about packs and leaders, I just know my dogs and how I would handle a situation and all I can do is give my opinion. I am sorry if I have given the wrong advice.

sweetlychee · 10-10-2006, 10:54 AM

Thank you all! I think I know Milo very well. I know he needed reassurance to be calm and to say it's ok - nothing to be afraid of. If I wasn't there to calm him down and pet him, I think he would pee on himself or much worse. I think we all know our dog the best and I know Milo needed someone there. He's too young and distracted. He needed us to just lift him up a bit. I don't think I was encouraging him to be more fearful.

There isn't really a right or wrong method. Nothing is exact. As long as I have caring heart, I know Milo will see that and his fear aggression will go away with some help in training/obedience classes. Animals are smart - they are a lot smarter than we think. They can sense and feel. If he senses something wrong from Lucky, then he can sense I'm trying to protect him and calm him. That's why he goes to me or my fiance.

Definitely there are more information on the web than before. I'm very lucky to meet and get all the valuable information from all. You guys deserve an award for your generous and kind inputs!

Have any of you experienced owners ever thought of writing a book? Or a children's story on corgis?

corgimom · 10-10-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetlychee

Thank you all! I think I know Milo very well. I know he needed reassurance to be calm and to say it's ok - nothing to be afraid of. If I wasn't there to calm him down and pet him, I think he would pee on himself or much worse. I think we all know our dog the best and I know Milo needed someone there. He's too young and distracted. He needed us to just lift him up a bit. I don't think I was encouraging him to be more fearful.

There isn't really a right or wrong method. Nothing is exact. As long as I have caring heart, I know Milo will see that and his fear aggression will go away with some help in training/obedience classes. Animals are smart - they are a lot smarter than we think. They can sense and feel. If he senses something wrong from Lucky, then he can sense I'm trying to protect him and calm him. That's why he goes to me or my fiance.

Definitely there are more information on the web than before. I'm very lucky to meet and get all the valuable information from all. You guys deserve an award for your generous and kind inputs!

Have any of you experienced owners ever thought of writing a book? Or a children's story on corgis?

I have not thought of writing a book about Corgis, but I could write a book about teenagers and sanity

Mabel (by the way, I love that and want to name my next cat that , if I ever get a female)

Anyway, check into other classes - but call you vet, if you highly trust him/her and ask him for a referral to where he would recommend that you go.

Honestly, Petco or PetSmart would be my last choice - there has to be other trainers in your area, but I do like the idea of having someone such as a Dog Behavorist) come to your home the best.

sweetlychee · 10-10-2006, 11:14 AM

Linda: Ok, I'll reconsider about Petco then. I'll ask our vet for some suggestions. And I'll definitely keep everyone posted on the obedience classes!

Mabel is not a very well-known name. I don't mind sharing it! Someone told me it sounded very old fashion. Hahaha.

corgimom · 10-10-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetlychee

Linda: Ok, I'll reconsider about Petco then. I'll ask our vet for some suggestions. And I'll definitely keep everyone posted on the obedience classes!

Mabel is not a very well-known name. I don't mind sharing it! Someone told me it sounded very old fashion. Hahaha.

Mabel and Myrtle sound like good female cat names, but so does Shirley and Laverne

sweetlychee · 10-10-2006, 11:52 AM

Linda: Shirley is my sister's name! hahaha, this is too eerie now!

corgimom · 10-10-2006, 01:06 PM

Mabel and Shirley, that may work

Also, I pulled out my handouts that I got from my last instructor of Cody's.

She had some sample questions and answers on there on what she is most asked about.

One question was, "Should I take my dog to a dog park if he does not like dogs, because he still needs to be exercised?"

Her response was "no, a Dog will not learn to get along with other dogs just because he is near them. Managed leash walks is a better choice."

She said if your dog is bullied on his first playdate it will not be a positive experience for them(which is should be) and they will remember that as a bad experience.

Just thought I would pass this on.

Chip's Mom · 10-10-2006, 01:12 PM

Cesar Milan was on last night and there was a 150 lb rottweiler who was aggressive on leash with other dogs. Cesar used the "pop" correction with the leash on the dog to correct this behavior. The "pop" correction is hard for me to explain but basically is a quick snap and release of the leash like a pop. You may be able to use a stern stop with that also. (Help me out if I didn't explain that right) Back to the dog obedience class - this would be taught there. Also, would be small dogs, Milo's size that he might learn to interact with.

sweetlychee · 10-10-2006, 01:16 PM

Thanks Linda and Bonnie. I wish I have cable to watch Caesar Millan!!!
Now after his playdate, it reinforces his fear even more. Great! (Sarcasm)
I have to find him another playdate to go for a small walk. I was thinking of a dog run but now...might scrap the idea. Sigh! So much to learn for that 27lb golden pooper.

Jane Austen · 10-10-2006, 01:50 PM

Sweetlychee,
My sister taped some dog whisperer for me. I think I can find an episode of aggressive behavior on them. I would be glad to send it to you if you will forward me your address.

sweetlychee · 10-10-2006, 02:17 PM

Thanks, Jane. I sent you my email address already.

I'm sure I'm not the only one in this world that has this problem. Milo's fear aggression can stem from him being a puppy and passing by another chubby corgi who was so mean to him. And then there were the neighbor's dogs who was fenced in and wouldn't like anyone walking next to their house. I feel so bad for little M (our nickname to him). I'm big M. Hahah. Our family is so silly and nutty.

MissGambler'sMommy · 10-11-2006, 09:47 AM

My wonderful Miss Gambler is not so wonderful around other dogs, nor, I fear, will she ever be. When asked by people out with their dogs "Does she bite?" I literally yell out "YES" before they even finish the sentence. She has never bitten another dog, but she never wants to be near another dog and she is always very clear about that. I have tried to get into her mind and figure this one out, but I am at a loss. (My husband always tells me that she simply does not see herself as one of them, that I have made her one of us.)

Take care, and love your cogi!

sweetlychee · 10-11-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MissGambler'sMommy

My wonderful Miss Gambler is not so wonderful around other dogs, nor, I fear, will she ever be. When asked by people out with their dogs "Does she bite?" I literally yell out "YES" before they even finish the sentence. She has never bitten another dog, but she never wants to be near another dog and she is always very clear about that. I have tried to get into her mind and figure this one out, but I am at a loss. (My husband always tells me that she simply does not see herself as one of them, that I have made her one of us.)

Take care, and love your cogi!

Missgamblersmommy: May I ask how come Miss Gambler is like that? Was she traumatized when she was younger by an unfriendly dog or some sort? Milo was like that. We also believe that Milo doesn't think he's a dog. He thinks he's human. I'm glad I'm not the only one facing this dilemma. When you take her out, how well does she handle other dogs?

Does it give you difficulty? I want to take Milo to dog runs and meets but currently, it's hard. How do you handle that, Missgambler'smommy?

10-10-2006, 09:44 AM	#31 (permalink)
Dillydoodle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,397	deleted my post Last edited by Dillydoodle; 04-16-2007 at 09:18 AM.

10-10-2006, 10:44 AM	#33 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,296	Everyone handles their dog differently and I would definitely put Chip on my lap if he was afraid and I would comfort him. To Chip that would give him reassurance that all was well in his world. If something scares Chip, he runs to me and wants up on my lap or at least to know I am close by. If I know what is causing the fear, I would gently lead him to it to investigate and I would talk to him and pet him along the way. This has worked for me. I don't know much about packs and leaders, I just know my dogs and how I would handle a situation and all I can do is give my opinion. I am sorry if I have given the wrong advice. __________________ Bonnie A Good Home, Loving Family and Three Loyal Corgis at my feet - I am truly Blessed.

10-10-2006, 10:54 AM	#34 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Thank you all! I think I know Milo very well. I know he needed reassurance to be calm and to say it's ok - nothing to be afraid of. If I wasn't there to calm him down and pet him, I think he would pee on himself or much worse. I think we all know our dog the best and I know Milo needed someone there. He's too young and distracted. He needed us to just lift him up a bit. I don't think I was encouraging him to be more fearful. There isn't really a right or wrong method. Nothing is exact. As long as I have caring heart, I know Milo will see that and his fear aggression will go away with some help in training/obedience classes. Animals are smart - they are a lot smarter than we think. They can sense and feel. If he senses something wrong from Lucky, then he can sense I'm trying to protect him and calm him. That's why he goes to me or my fiance. Definitely there are more information on the web than before. I'm very lucky to meet and get all the valuable information from all. You guys deserve an award for your generous and kind inputs! Have any of you experienced owners ever thought of writing a book? Or a children's story on corgis? __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-10-2006, 11:14 AM	#36 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Linda: Ok, I'll reconsider about Petco then. I'll ask our vet for some suggestions. And I'll definitely keep everyone posted on the obedience classes! Mabel is not a very well-known name. I don't mind sharing it! Someone told me it sounded very old fashion. Hahaha. __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-10-2006, 11:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Linda: Shirley is my sister's name! hahaha, this is too eerie now! __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-10-2006, 10:33 AM	#32 (permalink)
Checkers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 307	I have to disagree on some of the advice given. Firstly, not to take anything away from Petco or Petsmart because they can be great for a dog just wanting to learn obedience tricks, but most of their trainers are not qualified to handle a dog that has already exhibited some issues as Milo has. Also... the last thing I would do is sit him in my lap and pet him when another dog is around. This would be doing two things for him.... first, by sitting on top of you, he would automatically be put in a leadership position... where he has to make decisions for himself wether he is secure or not. Also... by petting him, cooing to him and such while he is in a fearful state all you would be doing is reinforcing his fear. You would basically be telling him "Good boy for being afraid... you should be afraid... these doggies are here to attack you". This is hard to explain in type and the main reason I think you would be much better to look up a dog trainer in private practice and quiz them on their experiences with dogs that have had trouble with other dogs. Then ask them if you can sit in on one of their group classes to get an idea for how they handle dogs, and if that method is one you are okay with. Please understand that I have made ALL the mistakes (that I now know were mistakes) that have been mentioned... and I can speak first hand how they made my dogs worse, not better. I have dealt with fear based aggression.... aggression to other dogs... all of that. Cheyenne is much better now than she was 6 years ago when I wouldn't even take her to the park for fear we might see another dog and I wouldn't be able to control her. Now I take her to the park daily and she is allowed to calmly sniff other dogs without me having any fear. The good news is that you have much more access to knowledge now thanks to the internet than I did when I was getting started... and you are a wonderful owner for seeking out that information and trying to do the best you can for Milo. Many, many kudos to you for that. -Cheryl

10-10-2006, 01:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Mabel and Shirley, that may work Also, I pulled out my handouts that I got from my last instructor of Cody's. She had some sample questions and answers on there on what she is most asked about. One question was, "Should I take my dog to a dog park if he does not like dogs, because he still needs to be exercised?" Her response was "no, a Dog will not learn to get along with other dogs just because he is near them. Managed leash walks is a better choice." She said if your dog is bullied on his first playdate it will not be a positive experience for them(which is should be) and they will remember that as a bad experience. Just thought I would pass this on.

10-10-2006, 01:12 PM	#40 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,296	Cesar Milan was on last night and there was a 150 lb rottweiler who was aggressive on leash with other dogs. Cesar used the "pop" correction with the leash on the dog to correct this behavior. The "pop" correction is hard for me to explain but basically is a quick snap and release of the leash like a pop. You may be able to use a stern stop with that also. (Help me out if I didn't explain that right) Back to the dog obedience class - this would be taught there. Also, would be small dogs, Milo's size that he might learn to interact with. __________________ Bonnie A Good Home, Loving Family and Three Loyal Corgis at my feet - I am truly Blessed.

10-10-2006, 01:16 PM	#41 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Thanks Linda and Bonnie. I wish I have cable to watch Caesar Millan!!! Now after his playdate, it reinforces his fear even more. Great! (Sarcasm) I have to find him another playdate to go for a small walk. I was thinking of a dog run but now...might scrap the idea. Sigh! So much to learn for that 27lb golden pooper. __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-10-2006, 01:50 PM	#42 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 819	Sweetlychee, My sister taped some dog whisperer for me. I think I can find an episode of aggressive behavior on them. I would be glad to send it to you if you will forward me your address.

10-10-2006, 02:17 PM	#43 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Thanks, Jane. I sent you my email address already. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this world that has this problem. Milo's fear aggression can stem from him being a puppy and passing by another chubby corgi who was so mean to him. And then there were the neighbor's dogs who was fenced in and wouldn't like anyone walking next to their house. I feel so bad for little M (our nickname to him). I'm big M. Hahah. Our family is so silly and nutty. __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-11-2006, 09:47 AM	#44 (permalink)
MissGambler'sMommy Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Francisco Bay area, but commute to Las Vegas, with Miss Gambler, for work Posts: 431	My wonderful Miss Gambler is not so wonderful around other dogs, nor, I fear, will she ever be. When asked by people out with their dogs "Does she bite?" I literally yell out "YES" before they even finish the sentence. She has never bitten another dog, but she never wants to be near another dog and she is always very clear about that. I have tried to get into her mind and figure this one out, but I am at a loss. (My husband always tells me that she simply does not see herself as one of them, that I have made her one of us.) Take care, and love your cogi!

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