Pembroke & Cardigan Welsh Corgi

dcole · 10-13-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetlychee

The odd thing is that we only need to drop off Milo there - no need to stay. He will teach all the basic commands and help Milo with his fears of dogs.

For some reason, vet recommendation or not, this just doesn't sit right with me... I think you need to get some more information before going with this guy, IMHO.

-Debi

Chip's Mom · 10-13-2006, 05:55 AM

Checkers:

I agree with you - there is no way that I would leave Chip. My obedience trainer says the same thing - she teaches the handlers - the dogs know what to do LOL It could harm Milo more than help.

corgimom · 10-13-2006, 06:04 AM

Mabel,

I would get some other recommendations also. I know if I was just expected to drop Cody off with some stranger, I would not feel comfortable with that at all - They should have at least a two way mirror, so you can see what is going on and I would think the trainer would be working with all three of you since you two are the ones relating to Milo on a daily basis.

Speaking of Cesear though, I know from watching the show, that he also works with the people, but don't people send their dogs to his place for 2 or more weeks at a time? - at least the show portrays that in cases where dogs are fearful of other dogs.

Mabel, what else does this trainer do? - you said he works for your vet? you mean training animals or in some other capacity?

You need to call them and get more information if you are considering them. I know you posted that it was your fiance that talked with him, but I myself would do the calling(men can't always hear correctly

)sorry, didn't mean to insult anyone, I am just speaking from experience.

In the meantime, if I were you, I would still look around into other behavior training places.

sweetlychee · 10-13-2006, 09:15 AM

Thanks, guys. I'll call him again for more information. I wouldn't feel 100% confident in just dropping Milo off to him either.

And I agree, Linda. Men aren't really good with hearing a lot of things! Lol. That's a proven physiological fact on 20/20 news program. Hahaha.

Jespah · 10-13-2006, 09:31 AM

Hi Mabel,

I would not leave a dog with a trainer - you need to be trained to train Milo. I also agree with the comments made about reassuring and "comforting". Dogs are literal learners. This means if they are behaving in a way we don't want them to - like barking and being upset at thunder, if we tell them it's okay and pat them and "comfort" them, we are literally rewarding them for the behavior. If you tell them no in a firm deep voice, they see you as the alpha and if you're okay, they're okay.
I would think that there must be some kind of dog club or group that offers the kind of training you and Milo need. Call and ask other vets if they know of any. Is there such thing as a company called Bark Busters in your area?

sweetlychee · 10-13-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jespah

Hi Mabel,

I would not leave a dog with a trainer - you need to be trained to train Milo. I also agree with the comments made about reassuring and "comforting". Dogs are literal learners. This means if they are behaving in a way we don't want them to - like barking and being upset at thunder, if we tell them it's okay and pat them and "comfort" them, we are literally rewarding them for the behavior. If you tell them no in a firm deep voice, they see you as the alpha and if you're okay, they're okay.
I would think that there must be some kind of dog club or group that offers the kind of training you and Milo need. Call and ask other vets if they know of any. Is there such thing as a company called Bark Busters in your area?

Hi Deb,

I took a look at the website: Bark Busters
It seems very different and I will contact them to give it a shot.

Folks, there are times during when Milo is barking that we tell him no, pull him back and say bad. We don't want to encourage his fear and barking. But, there are times also where he gets very scared and we just either pick him up or pet him. We tried both so it didn't work. Since I have no knowledge on these things, it's trial and error. But, with all the wonderful suggestions and links people have sent to me, I will do my best.

Have a great weekend, guys!

PS: Milo says thank you! I know he wants to thank you all.

CorgiMum · 10-13-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glencorgi

Looking at the pictures and the body language of the dogs, I'd say you were very lucky that the playdate didn't end up with a trip to the vet's. The GSDXRottie mix is not inviting him to play, that is an attack mode look in her eye. What Milo is doing right in that instance is not looking at her and diverting his gaze to the side. He's not issuing a challenge to her.

***My very first thougts too.***CorgiMum

It won't get better and he'll remember this "playdate." Next time he goes in, he'll be loaded for bear as in the last photo, hackles up, teeth bared and now issuing the challange to fight and the mix will be more than happy to oblige him.

***Dylan has 'learned' to react this way because of too many negative encounters with large dogs and inexperienced/thoughtless dog owners. Not an easy problem to undo, I certainly would not encourage such situations.***CorgiMum

Milo is not necessarily anti-dog, he just maybe doesn't like big dogs and with experiences like this one, who could blame him? He and the Pug seem much more compatible. Why does he need playdates? Corgis are not pack animals in the same sense as hounds are - like Beagles or Foxhounds for example. His pack is the humans he lives with and that's all he needs.

***I agree, the 'home pack' seems more than enough for most of the corgis that I have met. To mine anyways, lose dogs/cats/etc need to ne herded up if there is to me any movement involved on their part.***CorgiMUm

Debbie

***PS. I still have problems wiht the quotes.*** CorgiMum

corgimom · 10-13-2006, 11:14 AM

Mabel,

I know in Cody's last puppy class the trainer said that if they are afraid of something, such as thunder, you should really just go about your business and tell him "it is okay", but not coddle them because it just reinforces their fear.

Someone actually suggested to tape the sound that they are afraid of(not sure how one could do this with all things), but anyway, then they said to play the tape and at the same time, do something fun with the dog, play fetch, etc.

There is a Bark Busters around here ( I have seen their van driving around), but I don't know anything about them.

CorgiMum · 10-13-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by corgimom

Mabel,
Someone actually suggested to tape the sound that they are afraid of(not sure how one could do this with all things), but anyway, then they said to play the tape and at the same time, do something fun with the dog, play fetch, etc.

Montrose was afraid of thunder as a pup and we actually recorded a strom, and I playd it back in the training to desensitize (sp) her. It worked.

corgimom · 10-13-2006, 11:26 AM

Barbara,

That is great, good to know!

Cody doesn't like the sound that my husband's golf club makes when he swings - strange as that may seem - I guess I might have to stand by him and record that

He doesn't like storms either - I should play the Halloween tape I have which sounds like Thunder

and at the same time do something fun with him.

Chip's Mom · 10-13-2006, 11:30 AM

I completely agree with Corgimum and Glencorgi. I don't think Milo is anti dog either. My Chip will bark if we are on a walk when he sees another dog. He also will bark if he hears or sees a dog when we are on the boat. If a dog approaches our fence, he will bark. When he goes to obedience class, he will bark. That is just what dogs do. If Milo was antidog or aggressive towards other dogs, it seems like he would have not been passive towards that big dog in the beginning but immediately been aggressive. I think he has just had bad experiences. Maybe I am to softhearted but I just do not see or read that Milo is an aggressive dog. He just has not had any positive experiences with other dogs to make him want to socialize with them.

I wonder what pack animals do in the wild when one in the pack becomes fearful?

Dillydoodle · 10-13-2006, 01:00 PM

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corgimom · 10-13-2006, 01:12 PM

I think dogs fears can be a lot like a toddlers. Some toddlers don't like coming in contact with Disney looking characters, others don't mind a bit. My daughter at 18 months did not like relatives that had beards - she would not go near them, nor did she like Santas of course.With my son, it didn't phase him one bit.

Some dogs like the realistic animal sounding toys, others are fearful of them. My one cat does not like it when we wear sunglasses and the other two could care less - same with the vacuum; two cats are afraid of it, but the other one looks at it as if he will overpower it. Living creatures are all different with their personalities and temperaments and how they come to be afraid of certain things is sometimes a complete mystery.

Emilie, sounds like a good suggestion you made to Mabel; okay, and I just read the Rainbow Bridge stuff on her site also and the picture with the Corgi and the baby is just too much.

Fluffypants · 10-13-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

know of a few places but they maybe far from you, not sure, but one of the best training centers is in portchester, NY - it is a dog training school- and there is a trainer there who is really wonderful but not sure if she does basic training, but she is a corgi owner, breeder, and trainer - her name is Mary Elizabeth Simpson... here is her website: www.reinwoodcorgis.com

Emilie

That's my school! I sent Mabel the link via PM yesterday.

www.pcotc.org

And I just volunteered with Mary Elizabeth this past Saturday at an Obedience Trial. She's great. When you look at her website - check out the new puppy (Cash . . . so named because Mom had to have an emergency C-section and so, being a singleton, she ended up being quite expensive!).

She's a beauty!

sweetlychee · 10-13-2006, 01:43 PM

Wow, guys great suggestions. I agree that I need to be taught how to handle and train Milo. Just leaving him there with someone teaching him doesn't sound right to me. All the things he has learned was taught by ME because I learned it. I took the time out to read and study.

Two people have recommended the Port Chester training school. Now, we really have to consider that one more.

I don't think Milo is aggressive. He has never bite any dog. He just doesn't like them and I think it stems from fear more than anything else. I'm not sure if he's trying to protect me either.

And to some sad news, fiance just got unemployed. I'm sharing it here because I need to vent a bit too. Now, the chances of having a small wedding is almost the chance of having a no wedding and hitting City Hall. He's the breadwinner of the family (family meaning me, Milo and him). I joked once that Milo can't eat the good stuff now. Hahah. But heck, he eats better than me!

I wouldn't worry too much but still...dreams of buying a house with a big yard for Milo seems farther and farther. Darn those expensive housing in NY!!! He will have more time to play with Milo now.

10-13-2006, 05:55 AM	#62 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,363	Checkers: I agree with you - there is no way that I would leave Chip. My obedience trainer says the same thing - she teaches the handlers - the dogs know what to do LOL It could harm Milo more than help. __________________ Bonnie A Good Home, Loving Family and Three Loyal Corgis at my feet - I am truly Blessed.

10-13-2006, 09:15 AM	#64 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Thanks, guys. I'll call him again for more information. I wouldn't feel 100% confident in just dropping Milo off to him either. And I agree, Linda. Men aren't really good with hearing a lot of things! Lol. That's a proven physiological fact on 20/20 news program. Hahaha. __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

10-13-2006, 09:31 AM	#65 (permalink)
Jespah Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,024	Hi Mabel, I would not leave a dog with a trainer - you need to be trained to train Milo. I also agree with the comments made about reassuring and "comforting". Dogs are literal learners. This means if they are behaving in a way we don't want them to - like barking and being upset at thunder, if we tell them it's okay and pat them and "comfort" them, we are literally rewarding them for the behavior. If you tell them no in a firm deep voice, they see you as the alpha and if you're okay, they're okay. I would think that there must be some kind of dog club or group that offers the kind of training you and Milo need. Call and ask other vets if they know of any. Is there such thing as a company called Bark Busters in your area? __________________ Deb Toronto, ON, Canada Rupert Jemma

10-13-2006, 11:30 AM	#71 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,363	I completely agree with Corgimum and Glencorgi. I don't think Milo is anti dog either. My Chip will bark if we are on a walk when he sees another dog. He also will bark if he hears or sees a dog when we are on the boat. If a dog approaches our fence, he will bark. When he goes to obedience class, he will bark. That is just what dogs do. If Milo was antidog or aggressive towards other dogs, it seems like he would have not been passive towards that big dog in the beginning but immediately been aggressive. I think he has just had bad experiences. Maybe I am to softhearted but I just do not see or read that Milo is an aggressive dog. He just has not had any positive experiences with other dogs to make him want to socialize with them. I wonder what pack animals do in the wild when one in the pack becomes fearful? __________________ Bonnie A Good Home, Loving Family and Three Loyal Corgis at my feet - I am truly Blessed.

10-13-2006, 01:00 PM	#72 (permalink)
Dillydoodle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,422	deleted my post Last edited by Dillydoodle; 04-16-2007 at 10:21 AM.

10-13-2006, 06:04 AM	#63 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Mabel, I would get some other recommendations also. I know if I was just expected to drop Cody off with some stranger, I would not feel comfortable with that at all - They should have at least a two way mirror, so you can see what is going on and I would think the trainer would be working with all three of you since you two are the ones relating to Milo on a daily basis. Speaking of Cesear though, I know from watching the show, that he also works with the people, but don't people send their dogs to his place for 2 or more weeks at a time? - at least the show portrays that in cases where dogs are fearful of other dogs. Mabel, what else does this trainer do? - you said he works for your vet? you mean training animals or in some other capacity? You need to call them and get more information if you are considering them. I know you posted that it was your fiance that talked with him, but I myself would do the calling(men can't always hear correctly )sorry, didn't mean to insult anyone, I am just speaking from experience. In the meantime, if I were you, I would still look around into other behavior training places.

10-13-2006, 11:14 AM	#68 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Mabel, I know in Cody's last puppy class the trainer said that if they are afraid of something, such as thunder, you should really just go about your business and tell him "it is okay", but not coddle them because it just reinforces their fear. Someone actually suggested to tape the sound that they are afraid of(not sure how one could do this with all things), but anyway, then they said to play the tape and at the same time, do something fun with the dog, play fetch, etc. There is a Bark Busters around here ( I have seen their van driving around), but I don't know anything about them.

10-13-2006, 11:26 AM	#70 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Barbara, That is great, good to know! Cody doesn't like the sound that my husband's golf club makes when he swings - strange as that may seem - I guess I might have to stand by him and record that He doesn't like storms either - I should play the Halloween tape I have which sounds like Thunder and at the same time do something fun with him.

10-13-2006, 01:12 PM	#73 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	I think dogs fears can be a lot like a toddlers. Some toddlers don't like coming in contact with Disney looking characters, others don't mind a bit. My daughter at 18 months did not like relatives that had beards - she would not go near them, nor did she like Santas of course.With my son, it didn't phase him one bit. Some dogs like the realistic animal sounding toys, others are fearful of them. My one cat does not like it when we wear sunglasses and the other two could care less - same with the vacuum; two cats are afraid of it, but the other one looks at it as if he will overpower it. Living creatures are all different with their personalities and temperaments and how they come to be afraid of certain things is sometimes a complete mystery. Emilie, sounds like a good suggestion you made to Mabel; okay, and I just read the Rainbow Bridge stuff on her site also and the picture with the Corgi and the baby is just too much. Last edited by corgimom; 10-13-2006 at 01:17 PM.

10-13-2006, 01:43 PM	#75 (permalink)
sweetlychee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY Posts: 407	Wow, guys great suggestions. I agree that I need to be taught how to handle and train Milo. Just leaving him there with someone teaching him doesn't sound right to me. All the things he has learned was taught by ME because I learned it. I took the time out to read and study. Two people have recommended the Port Chester training school. Now, we really have to consider that one more. I don't think Milo is aggressive. He has never bite any dog. He just doesn't like them and I think it stems from fear more than anything else. I'm not sure if he's trying to protect me either. And to some sad news, fiance just got unemployed. I'm sharing it here because I need to vent a bit too. Now, the chances of having a small wedding is almost the chance of having a no wedding and hitting City Hall. He's the breadwinner of the family (family meaning me, Milo and him). I joked once that Milo can't eat the good stuff now. Hahah. But heck, he eats better than me! I wouldn't worry too much but still...dreams of buying a house with a big yard for Milo seems farther and farther. Darn those expensive housing in NY!!! He will have more time to play with Milo now. __________________ Milo the Corgi! Milo's Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?285039

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