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[fogebotom]

Small brag here-two of my cardigan kids were in Canada this weekend and both came home with their Canadian Championships! Abbey aka Summit FogyBotm Play It By Ear finished with a Group 3 placing and her brother Am CH FogyBotm Summit Rvnge is Sweet aka Moose, had never been to Canada and got all his points in one weekend!

Cindy and the Foggy Bottom/Summit Crew

[Michael Romanos]

That is great news. Is it more difficult for a USA Corgi to win in Canada or were the judges non-Canadian anyway?
It takes a lot longer in New Zealand for a dog to become a show champ - eight Challenges are required - which means eight Best Dog of Breed or Best Bitch of Breed at eight different championship shows. One can do two shows on a weekend on occasions and perhaps even three with a specialist show thrown in. But we don't have shows every weekend either.

[fogebotom]

Canadian points seem much easier to get. But it could have something to do with the entries--We have up to a 1000 dog show at times, or even more. This show had a 175 dog limit and ran 2 shows a day. And they figure it so you get points of the total dogs entered, not just the same sex as AKC. And in Canada vs AKC, you can get points for any group placement, not just a group 1.

Some dogs overall are easier to finish then others. I had one that was almost 4 and needed single point wins, when I gave up. But this boy-Moose finished his AKC championship in 6 weekends over a 3 month period and under 10 mos of age.

What are the normal entries for corgis-both breeds at the shows? That might make a difference too.

[Michael Romanos]

The rules regarding championship status have never changed here - but it is far easier to gain a Challenge Certificate for Pems for nearly the last 20 years than when Corgis were at their peak in New Zealand. There was a time when 40- 60 Pem Corgis at an all-breeds show was common but nowadays it is in the 20-30 bracket. With Cardis it would be unusual these days to see more than five at an all-breeds show. One more rule - to be a champ you must have received 8 Challenges from 7 different judges. We do have specialist Corgi, Working Dog and Spitz shows. In NZ Corgis are in the working dog group and Pems are also part of the Spitz group. There are up to six Corgi-only championship shows organised annually in NZ.

[fogebotom]

Interesting. The usual breed entry in my area for cardigans ranges from 2-10, depends on if you are close to the cities or an area with several breeders. AKC CH's need 15 points total from at least 3 different judges. Now most of the time unless you travel, most of your points will be from all different judges. Also of those 15, 2 sets of points must be "majors" meaning a grouping of 3-5 points at one show. AKC likes to change things up a lot and every couple of years, they analyze the show entries and will raise or lower the number of dogs needed for a specific set of points. So in South Dakota it takes a lot fewer cardigans vs Illinois which is a lot, to get a major pointed entry.

Usually at the Canadian show that Moose just returned from-5 cardigans is almost considered a specialty:0) Heck my toy dog-Brussels Griffon, we get entries of 3-4 here at shows, yet Sheryl told me that she never ever sees them at the Canadian shows she goes to.

[Michael Romanos]

The paucity of entries with most breeds at most conformation shows, shows up the poor side of dog showing. It certainly downgrades champion titles. Group and Best-in-Show awards are much more challenging. This is what the agility people in New Zealand don't want to emulate - titles gained without much competition. At present to win or come runner-up in an agility event in NZ at a championship meeting (which gains a Challenge Certificate), you have got to beat up to 200 other competitors.
How is this for a change in the conformation showing system: Only award points for group and in-show wins or runners-up and no champions allowed in group and in-show competition. These will have their own competition. Will that work?

[fogebotom]

I totally agree. It should be solely based on the quality of the dog, BUT here, it still is and always will be a contest of political nature. Especially in AKC where professional handlers have harems of dogs to show each weekend. Makes me even prouder to owner handle my own dogs.

I've seen an older dog who had tons of single points, no majors, change to a handler(or as we say a face on the northside of the lead) who was well known in that breed, all of a sudden, took majors. Everything they took in the ring that day won, regardless of correctness in structure, all that mattered was who showed the dog.
And we currently have a CH dog out specialing in our area and the newbie owner was told to get his face known as it will pay off in the future. So the poor young dog(not yet 2) is out showing every weekend and well, yes, the judges are starting to remember him, not the dog, and put them up.
That's not why I show my dogs and I won't play that game. I do handle a couple of dogs-german shorthairs, for a friend. He would show his own dogs but health and work don't allow him. When he can he does, when he can't I get the pleasure. His dogs win on their merits, not me, as sometimes I wonder who's showing whom. Another reason I love my corgis-those pointers drive me nuts-can't stand still for 2 seconds.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by fogebotom

Small brag here-two of my cardigan kids were in Canada this weekend and both came home with their Canadian Championships! Abbey aka Summit FogyBotm Play It By Ear finished with a Group 3 placing and her brother Am CH FogyBotm Summit Rvnge is Sweet aka Moose, had never been to Canada and got all his points in one weekend!

Congratulations Cindy! That's great, two in one weekend. My brag about as good. I finished Blaze (Taflar's Money To Burn) with a 5 point major from the Bred by Exhibitor class. In fact all his points were from BBE. He went on in the next three days to take two Best of Breed wins and a Group 4th.

Peggy

[fogebotom]

Congratulations Peggy!!! Moose is my first BBE dog and I still get excited talking about his wins. You should be very very proud-5 point majors are hard to come by out here. So I take it I might see you at Eukanuba??? My hubby is pushing me to go either this coming year or the one following since I can't go to any of the specialties due to his traveling for work this year.

Congrats again! Pictures please???
Cindy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by fogebotom

Congratulations Peggy!!! Moose is my first BBE dog and I still get excited talking about his wins. You should be very very proud-5 point majors are hard to come by out here.

Shoot here any major is hard to come by. We haven't had a major in Utah since 1994!!!! We went to MT. It was a big entry and I am thrilled that he won!

So I take it I might see you at Eukanuba???

Don't know yet, depends on a few things. If CA passes that darned bill, don't know if I can support a show in CA. And depends on money here too.... Jim says it might be my Christmas present though.

Congrats again! Pictures please???

Working on getting a show picture scanned... stay tuned.

Peggy

[fogebotom]

Got another brag on the two and four legged kids!!!!

This weekend at our kennel clubs four day cluster show(we have Sat and Sun) Meredith and Eddie made a huge splash. On Thursday I showed him for his first point WD and BOW. Then on Friday Meredith played hookie from school and got dumped in the classes but won her third novice junior class!!! Now she's in a very tough open class for a few years. On Saturday I had to ring steward but watched from afar as Eddie showed his heart out for my little girl and took WD and BOW for 2 points. Sunday was okay-knew we wouldn't do a darn thing with that judge but she also got a third place in her open juniors class. I have now been told that I can no longer show Eddie, he's all Meredith's dog and she does a much better job of showing him then I ever will.

NOW--my other brag is that our Abbey finished her AKC championship this weekend at the same show!!!! She took one point on Thursday, dumped on Friday and took WB on Saturday for the final points. She is now Am/Can CH Summits FogyBotm Play It By Ear. She also has most of her health testing done but not old enough for OFA on her hips yet. I have the best co-owner in the world with Sheryl Porter in Il who loves her more then I do.

Now I just have to sit back and wait for Al to get old enough, so that I have a dog to show.

Cindy and the crew