Good place for a Corgi?

[corgimom]

very good reasons not to move to Albuquerque and be a pet owner!!!
That is unbelievable!

Linda

[Chip's Mom]

I second that Linda.

[Michael Romanos]

I'll try and answer Barbara who asked my what care and attention rules to dogs should apply.
Perhaps these kind of rules for dog ownership should be adopted by the United Nations so that they are world wide.

I cannot answer Debbie adequately because whether you like it or not, the so called land of freedom and democracy such as is labelled at the USA is untrue. The USA is very much police-oriented and a police-type nation. So if there is rigidity in laws acted out by enforcement officers and other officials, it is the nature of the country I'm afraid. And I suppose that is what Debbie has been saying all along. But you can't just apply this to every country - there are nearly 300 nations in the world. In NZ there are few police - there is even a shortage. I could go on a 500 mile trip to Auckland and never see a cop.

So back to Barbara: I can't really address your question with any kind of comprehensive response. But the short end of care and attention of dogs is:

Adequate and approved accommodation - warmth, shelter and comfort in winter and coolness, shelter and comfort in summer.

Puppies not left alone for long periods.

Access to fresh water at all times.

Approved and adequate healthy food for dogs meals. Puppies fed a meal more than once daily.

Adequate daily exercise and areas for toileting. Exercise based on breed and dog size requirements and to include at least one daily walk of a meaningful distance.

Regular attention to teeth, ears, feet, eyes, coat cleanliness etc. Annual vaccinations where applicable. Regular attention to flea, worm and allergy prevention.

Seek immediate medical assistance if dog shows signs of distress and injury.

That's off the top of my head and I'm sure one can find holes in them all and vital things I have overlooked.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I cannot answer Debbie adequately because whether you like it or not, the so called land of freedom and democracy such as is labelled at the USA is untrue. The USA is very much police-oriented and a police-type nation. So if there is rigidity in laws acted out by enforcement officers and other officials, it is the nature of the country I'm afraid.

No Michael, it isn't necessarily the nature of the country or confined to the US, this is a world wide effort and assault on pet ownership by a very well-funded minority of activists. HEART in NM is just the laws passed in Turin, Italy and the country of Italy taken to further extremes. There has already been intrusion into the decisions/choices you make about your pets in NZ with the mandatory microchipping. Australia no longer allowing docking or cropping is another example. The requirements for being allowed to breed a litter in Germany and the number of puppies which can live is another. The UK is ripe with examples. The number of countries with breed bans, another example. All of these are attacks on our pet ownership.

What one needs to understand is that animal rights activists are not so much in love with animals or even care about them, rather they hate humans more. (I can provide quotes, if you like.) Peter Singer, the guru of the animal rights movement, stated in a fairly recent interview he had no particular like of animals. To quote the owner of the Pet-Law lists: "The stance of all our national organizations from the AKC to PETA is that pets are abused, pets are dangerous, there are too many pets, owners are at best irresponsible and often uncaring to the point of cruelty." That stance/perception is not limited to the US. All I have to do is mention pit-bull and I can get negative impression responses from Australia to Canada. Breed specific legislation exists in Canada.

PETA is often received with a roll of the eyes these days because of the stunts they have pulled promoting their agenda. What you need to remember is that the HSUS is nothing more than PETA in a three piece suit. Wayne Pacelle, who now heads HSUS, worked with PETA co-founder Alex Paccheo. The heads of animal rights organizations tracked back through the who's and where's they have been reads like an inbred pedigree. HSUS is the largest animal rights organization in the world and is VERY well funded by the little old ladies who send a dollar for the mailing labels with the cute puppies and kitties on them. HSUS is now under legal scrutiny for the millions they raised to help, supposedly, the many animals impacted by Hurricane Katrina.

While HSUS does not own nor operate any shelters, they do have programs where many animal control officers receive training/indoctrination. For fees, they will come in make recommendations to localities about running shelters. They are headed by a man who believes "one generation and out" when it comes to purebred animals.

So the next time some one starts proposing "let's do something about those pitbulls" in our town, just remember corgis are on the list of dangerous breeds in Italy. Pembrokes, especially, do not have the best of reputations in the US or the UK. They are perceived as snippy and prone to be biters among many veterinarians, trainers even and the general public. I had a call from a vet's office tending to a stray this spring and their comment was they saw two types of corgis - good ones and bad ones. (Bet you thought it was going to be Cardigan and Pembrokes, didn't you? ) How did they earn this reputation? Because of their popularity and the random indiscriminate breeding it caused. No regard was/is paid to temperament. Breeders captializing on the popularity and indiscriminately promoting corgis to every family that comes along and for homes not suited to the breed(s); owner irresponsibility for not giving their puppies the proper structure and boundaries the breed(s) need.

Happily this guy turned out to be one of the "good" ones. Many of us can remember when German Shepherds were scapegoat breed of choice for being the "bad" breed. Dobermans had their turn, Rotties got a turn, now it is the bully breeds. Precedence has been set for our corgis to be added to a list at some point.

In spite of the ridiculous laws that sometime make it onto the books here, we're not a police state - thank you. We, the citizens can do something about changing them. We can make changes at election time and with whom we vote into office. We can do what they are doing about HEART - use the legal means to get the law rescinded and even recall the elected official responsible for it. We can do what I did today, call our governor's office and ask him to veto a bill that has been passed. (Yes Bonnie, that one did pass both houses in NC and is awaiting the governor's signature. A part of what I told them was that out of staters were alarmed by the implications and it could impact our tourism dollars should he sign it.) This is what I meant when I said being a pet owner today requires a bit of political activism.

Debbie

[corgimom]

Interesting as to how you said Pems are perceived by people in the USA;
I know with my last Pem, when I would bring her into the vet's office, the
vet and the technician would always say "she is such a nice Pem compared to
a couple of others we have as clients". People do tend to think they are
snippy dogs.

linda

[CorgiMum]

We don't need the RCMP for this, we have the SPCA.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I'll try and answer Barbara who asked my what care and attention rules to dogs should apply.

So back to Barbara: I can't really address your question with any kind of comprehensive response. But the short end of care and attention of dogs is:

Adequate and approved accommodation - warmth, shelter and comfort in winter and coolness, shelter and comfort in summer.

Puppies not left alone for long periods.

Access to fresh water at all times.

Approved and adequate healthy food for dogs meals. Puppies fed a meal more than once daily.

Adequate daily exercise and areas for toileting. Exercise based on breed and dog size requirements and to include at least one daily walk of a meaningful distance.

Regular attention to teeth, ears, feet, eyes, coat cleanliness etc. Annual vaccinations where applicable. Regular attention to flea, worm and allergy prevention.

Seek immediate medical assistance if dog shows signs of distress and injury.

That's off the top of my head and I'm sure one can find holes in them all and vital things I have overlooked.

[CorgiMum]

Originally Posted by glencorgi

So the next time some one starts proposing "let's do something about those pitbulls" in our town, just remember corgis are on the list of dangerous breeds in Italy. Pembrokes, especially, do not have the best of reputations in the US or the UK. They are perceived as snippy and prone to be biters among many veterinarians, trainers even and the general public. I had a call from a vet's office tending to a stray this spring and their comment was they saw two types of corgis - good ones and bad ones. (Bet you thought it was going to be Cardigan and Pembrokes, didn't you? ) How did they earn this reputation? Because of their popularity and the random indiscriminate breeding it caused. No regard was/is paid to temperament. Breeders captializing on the popularity and indiscriminately promoting corgis to every family that comes along and for homes not suited to the breed(s); owner irresponsibility for not giving their puppies the proper structure and boundaries the breed(s) need.

Debbie

I know someone that was living in Italy and I was shocked when she told me the situation with corgis. But then, it can happen with any breed if there are people out there willing to support the BYBs of the world instead of the reputable breeders.

Personally, I like it whenever (and it is often) that a passer by says to me, "Boy, corgis, you sure don't see many of them around here".

We were on a waiting list for out first Pem for a while, and were really questioned by the breeder, now I know why. A good breeder should be asking the prospective buyer at least as many questions as the buyer is asking.

[darci]

crap crap crap crap crap......................................

I just had an good post that took me several minutes to type and I lost it.....
Dang it...............

Well maybe later, I am just miffed right now ( at myself ).

[CorgiMum]

Oh I just hate when that happens!

Though the second time I type it out, it often sounds better.

[Chip's Mom]

Yes Bonnie, that one did pass both houses in NC and is awaiting the governor's signature. A part of what I told them was that out of staters were alarmed by the implications and it could impact our tourism dollars should he sign it.) This is what I meant when I said being a pet owner today requires a bit of political activism.


We are planning a trip to the Outer Banks in October to ride the ferries, etc. I will have to look into this more closely and may end up back in SC. Is there anyone I can contact to express my concerns.

[glencorgi]

You can call the governor's office:
Please make those phone calls to let the Governors office know you do
not agree with the provisions
set forth in H2098, AN ACT TO AMEND THE LAW RELATING TO THE
PROTECTION OF ANIMALS, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE
GENERAL STATUTES COMMISSION.
We may not get a VETO, but we have to try. Please call today--If you
would like to fax the Governors office, the fax number is 919-715-3175.
Phone numbers for the Governor:
(919) 733-4240
(919) 733-5811

Debbie

[corgimom]

Deb, do some of these places even let people Board their pets when they travel or is that considered cruelty?? - and if they can, what types of laws do these boarding places have to follow?

linda