Coat length

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Bayoucorgi

A narrow strip of white! How narrow is narrow?

That depends on who's defining narrow.

See Liam the blaze-faced corgi at left.

Technically his is a bit more than what I'd call narrow. But there are lots in the ring with blazes that big. It's not really a big deal. Touching the eyes is worse. We don't want the white to touch or surround the eyes.

His pasterns can be touching and his left front foot goes east and the right go west.

You're right, that is worse. That's a structure fault. The white is a cosmetic fault. IMO, a structure fault is worse, as that can effect the quality of life. (Can not always does though.)

Also, there is a dip behind the shoulders blending gently to a rise over the loin to a mildly higher rear end.

A slight dip behind the shoulders can be pretty common and can be due to the difference in coat length/thickness from the ruff to the body coat.

However as for the back we want a level topline. (You've learned quite a bit about the standard. )

I'm sending the pics for his AKC ILP so I can show him in herding, obedience and agility so was worried about the coat issue.

They don't care about the coat for the ILP. You can ILP or even register mismarks and fluffies too.

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

The usual slang terms for Corgis often spectacular fluffy bums are 'pants' for the boys and 'skirts' for the girls.

Saddle on a Pem - a strip or area going part of the way along the back that has less soft or coarser top coat hairs.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

The usual slang terms for Corgis often spectacular fluffy bums are 'pants' the boys and 'skirts' for the girls.

It's not slang it's the proper term. For either sex and in both breeds it's pants. Skirts are on Scotties. (That's the furnishing along the sides and rear of a Scottie.)

Saddle on a Pem - a strip or area going part of the way along the back that has less soft or coarser top coat hairs.

When I hear saddle I think of the black part on most red headed tris.

I think what you're referring to is what I've heard called the "fairy saddle" which is the thicker part of the coat over the shoulders.

Peggy

[LittlePonzo]

Originally Posted by taflar

It's not slang it's the proper term. For either sex and in both breeds it's pants. Skirts are on Scotties. (That's the furnishing along the sides and rear of a Scottie.)



When I hear saddle I think of the black part on most red headed tris.

I think what you're referring to is what I've heard called the "fairy saddle" which is the thicker part of the coat over the shoulders.

Peggy

That's exactly what I was thinking too Peggy when he wrote that...The fairy saddle on the back. I think that saddle is so cute!

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Saddle on a Pem - a strip or area going part of the way along the back that has less soft or coarser top coat hairs.

The fairy saddle area is back of the neck - a patch if you will saddle shaped. There is a coarser strip of hair that runs dorsally the length of the spine. It is one that often "freaks" new owners out as this is where the adult coat begins changing first. On some corgis, depending upon shading and coloring one can see the fairy reins.

Debbie

[Michael Romanos]

In NZ and Australia we call it pants and skirts. In human terms, males wear pants and females wear skirts. That's where it came from. I suppose it is logical. And it is slang. Slang can become acceptable within a language.

No, I mean saddle within the meaning I have given it - a slighly courser or less soft saddle of hair running from below the shoulders part of the way down the back within the middle strip of the back.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

In NZ and Australia we call it pants and skirts. In human terms, males wear pants and females wear skirts. That's where it came from. I suppose it is logical. And it is slang. Slang can become acceptable within a language.

Well, in the US it isn't slang it's a proper term and it's pants for both. And in this day and women wear pants as often or more often than skirts.

No, I mean saddle within the meaning I have given it - a slighly courser or less soft saddle of hair running from below the shoulders part of the way down the back within the middle strip of the back.

Ok, not what I think of as a saddle. That's the back of the dog and the texture there should be harsh.

Peggy

[Bayoucorgi]

I've been around the ring enough to know that winning doesn't mean correctness. My dog's Am. Can. Ch. sire was missing teeth. My girl who was magnificently sound, had incredible pigment, was structurally correct and floating movement girl was too "dark red" to win. And she hated dog shows so she wouldn't sparkle in the ring.

Once I was sitting ringside at the KC of Beverly Hills next to a "big shot" breeder who had several Goldens who won a lot. Her young bitch was sitting between her feet and she was fluffing and puffing her long, open, cottony coat and gushing, "I know it's not correct but I just love it." Of course that dog did eventually finish. I imagine that coat would have soaked up enough water to drown her if she did have any birdiness. And worst of all, there are big winners who don't have any attributes but an owner with deep pockets who pays the right handler.

[Bayoucorgi]

Michael, what do ya'll call us Americans? Yanks? You can call them pants and skirts if you like. I'll call them fluffy bloomers because we do that in Texas.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Bayoucorgi

I've been around the ring enough to know that winning doesn't mean correctness.

Bayoucorgi - sorry there's no emoticon for a high five, but you get one. Spoken as someone who has paid her dues.

Debbie

[Hayashi_eri]

Its sad but we rarely see Corgis in the ring here in Singapore. They are just quite rare here. I have once thought of trying to be a handler or show a Corgi ( I am very proud of them ) but just couldn't arrange my hectic work schedule & do not have a deep pocket to import a champion puppy.

[Michael Romanos]

Yanks is slang too, so is the term Kiwis for New Zealanders. Females do wear skirts and frocks the world over but you would be pushing it to see men in anything but pants. I think it is cute to differentiate between male and female Corgis in using terms that fit the bill. But I never use the term 'bitch' to describe a female dog because the word has long been desecrated and I cannot see the point of DOG equating to male and a female dog being called something else when both are actually dogs.

[darci]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Females do wear skirts and frocks the world over but you would be pushing it to see men in anything but pants.

Someone should tell my hubby that.....

I consider his kilt a skirt but he hates it when I say that.

[tandemgal]

I call The Girls pants/skirt their pantaloons - like the ones Southern Bells wore in the old South. Why? Just because I like the sound of it and the visual it evokes

Darci - I like men in kilts too! must be the Scot in me LOL

[darci]

Dont you just love those "bonnie knees"......