Kibble

[Dillydoodle]

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[milles2]

Tucker did beautifully on Eagle Pack small breed puppy. He got finicky around 6 months and I started a year long search for a food.

We ended up with Merrick Kibble (Turducken). When Lulu came along Tuck would eat anything I put in his dish before Lulu could get to it (they are NOT allowed to approach eich other's bowl, I stand guard!).

So I switched back to eagle Pack. Right now we are doing Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken but when Lulu turns 10 months I'll start rotating in the fish formula. I've had the samples and Tucker loves it. We also sampled a wellness fish based food and he really liked that.

The only problem I've ever had was with Wellness. it gave him tons of gas. Stiinky!!!! Canidae (recommended by Lulu's breeder) gave them both too much poop but they did well on it.

As for Hills..... My Vet used the dental formula as "treats" at their office. I never knew what they were. Tucker would let you perform surgery w/o anesthesia if you just kept feeding him the treats. One day I realized what they were so picked up the smallest bag they sold for treats at home. I read the ingredients and I would never feed a steady diet of it.

I've been to lectures by representatives of Eagle Pack and Wellness about what to look for in ingredients.

Based on that, I'm surprised I don't read more about Merrick. I thought it was a very good food, Tuck did well with it. Their canned food actually looks good enough to eat!

I do like the idea of probiotics in Eagle Pack and Canidae.

[Chip's Mom]

When it comes to Hills Science Diet, all you have to do is read the label. I was shocked when I read it. I had always thought it was the best to feed because it was promoted and sold by the Vet's office. However, I did buy T/D for Chip's teeth and he eats them as cookies. When the bag is gone, I will have to find something else (cookie wise) for the extra nutrients he needs for his teeth. any ideas anyone?

[Michael Romanos]

Nick Cave will say - and so will his colleagues at Massey University including his boss- that he is unbias and completely independent. And his colleagues regard him as outstanding and one of a kind in NZ. Dr Cave rates AFFCO approved dog food as the most reliable to present to dogs as a complete and balanced daily diet and he ranked (to me, on the basis of food for normal, healthy dogs) Hills AFFCO approved foods as the world's best to date followed by Royal Canin. He cannot find fault with the ingredience found in Hills. He is a full time employee of Massey University and has demands placed on him for overseas lecturing on his expertise subjects.

If Nick says what you don't want to hear so be it. There are plenty of dog food on the market including AFFCO approved food. He also rates Eukanuba highly - and the Eukanuba company does not yet submit its products to AFFCO.

[Dillydoodle]

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[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

When the bag is gone, I will have to find something else (cookie wise) for the extra nutrients he needs for his teeth. any ideas anyone?

Bonnie,

Nutro/Natural Choice "did" make a large kibble marketed as to help keep teeth clean. (I'll qualify my statement because I'm not sure if it is still on the market or not.) It is smaller than T/D, but I have used it as treats for the same purpose as T/D. Might see if you can find a small bag of that.

Debbie

[glencorgi]

According to: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vme/cagl/Team.htm


Dr. Nick Cave B.V.Sc., M.V.Sc.

Born in England, Nick moved to New Zealand in 1980 and completed his secondary education in the capital city Wellington. He graduated from Massey University (New Zealand) with a Bachelor of Veterinary Science and practiced as a veterinarian in a mixed animal rural practice for 4 years. This was followed by 3 years in a small animal practice in Hamilton New Zealand. He returned to Massey University in 1997 and completed a 3 year Internal Medicine residency, successfully attaining Membership of the Australasian College of Veterinary Scientists by examination in internal medicine in 1997. He graduated with a Master's of Veterinary Science from Massey in 2000 with his thesis entitled "The nutritional management of food hypersensitivity in dogs and cats: an assessment of a protein hydrolysate". Production of the Hill's protein hydrolysate diet "z/d" was the culmination of that work. In 2001, Nick moved to UC Davis to pursue a PhD in nutrition and immunology.
Current research interests include investigations into the role that commercial pet food processing has in altering the immunogenicity of dietary proteins and the role that diet plays in the management and development of inflammatory bowel disease in cats.

Hills Z/D info: http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/prod...34374302037389

Now I believe an interview with Dr. Billinghurst would be equally interesting and informative.

Debbie

[milles2]

I use the Science Diet TD for teeth as treats. Just wish they sold a smaller size bag.

Tuck and Lulu won a basket from our Vet Office at the local Halloween parade. In it were treats from Virbac - C.E.T. HEXtra ("premium Chews with Chlorhexidine"). They are supplement to the toothpaste I use on the dogs.

The dogs really like them and so far so good w/ the teeth.

[Michael Romanos]

Since that piece was written, NIck Cave has had more credits or theu were left out of the resume. He also in the process of receiving an American-based international recognised diploma/degree re nutrition of canine and other small animals - which will further set him apart in NZ.

[Michael Romanos]

Since that piece was written, NIck Cave has had more credits or they were left out of the resume. He also in the process of receiving an American-based international recognised diploma/degree re nutrition of canine and other small animals - which will further set him apart in NZ.

[darci]

Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

Susan,
I noticed you mentioned probiotics - wellness also has them in their food as well...I am curious about eagle pack fish formula, I think i may try that for dillon. I am currently feeding 2/3 wellness lamb and will be rotating out the last 1/3 of his food to different brands and different low allergy protein sources to help from getting any deficiencies- I am almost out of the Nature's Balance fish and potato (really good and dillon loved it) and will be looking to try something new, i do think it will be either timberwolf or eagle pak this time. I have given the timberwolf dakota bison to Dillon as treats and he really likes them.

Bonnie, i would have to do a little research to see what could be fed instead of the TD for teeth...I honestly am not sure what is in it that helps keep the teeth clean...and if it is just kibble size then there are foods that come in slightly larger sizes that might work. I will see what i can find..and will be interested to hear what other people think would be good choices.
Emilie

Emilie,
I have been very pleased with Eagle pack, mine loved the fish formula. The company is great, with lots of extensive research.
It will stay in my rotation.
I have also been pleased with Timberwolf, puppers have done very well on it as well. Have tried so far the ocean blue and bison.

[darci]

Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

When Chip is eating the ProPlan, his coat is really good, not alot of shedding, it is soft and feels good to the touch and shines. I have noticed lately that his coat didn't look as good as it did and he wasn't eating as much. Only switched back to the ProPlan a few days ago and his coat is looking better. Not sure on the stools as Chip is a very private boy and goes to the back of the yard to his special hiding place to take care of business. I agree Debbie....no problem. Sometimes, we just need to listen to our boys.

Bonnie, I say stick with what he's doing best on.

[ColColt]

I know this post has been around for a while, but; I just joined and probably have missed something. I've read a lot of good things about Innova in the green bag and wondered if anyone has used this before. There's a place just four miles down the road from here that sells it. It's a premium dog food that you won't find at the grocery store or even at PetSmart.

[corgimom]

Is this the product you are talking about? I have not personally used it myself

http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...d%3D%271%27%5D

[glencorgi]

Innova is an excellent food and I know a number of corgi owners who have and do use it and their dogs do great on it. For my guys though, it was just too rich and they had loose stools with it. So for my dogs, it just didn't work.

Debbie