food content belief

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

My point is that looking at labels may not tell the true picture. We can't do research. What research can we do??? Ribena has been on the market for maybe 50 years. No one did any research on the products in the world until a few months ago and that was laboratory research by a couple of senior high school girls as part of a class project. What research is done on dog food ?who knows if a great deal of the claimed contents is not a fraud. At least AAFCO are attending to the important components of the dog food that they fully approve.

The product samples I posted listed ingredients of foods approved by the AAFCO.They were an example of how different dog foods are in regards to what is in them and how important it is to read labels. And we should be able to trust those labels right?; because those foods are AAFCO. It was an example that the AAFCO will approve just about any ingredients for our dogs to eat as long as they have the min. vitamins, minerals and nutrients in them.

[Dillydoodle]

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[MagnoliaFly]

Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

I noticed you managed to avoid commenting on those posts....interesting

I noticed that too.

I don't think there is any convincing him that AAFCO is just a meaningless stamp of approval. Just like we can't convince him that some Vets solicit dietary advice and suggest Hills Science Diet as a quality food when its not.

[glencorgi]

Michael seems to have a love affair with the "nanny state." Reminds me of the first time I brought up Dr. Jean Dodd and the revamped vaccination protocols; he poo-poo'd all the information, scientific research and documentation provided. Yet, when he "discovered" the same information on his own, well then that was the way to go.

This 180 turn on kibble since interviewing Dr. Nick is interesting and IF Michael were a true believer in the AAFCO, he wouldn't still be cooking for Taylor, Taylor would be getting exclusively his Hills because afterall, everything Taylor needs nutritionally is in that bag.


As I have said before, it is possible to meet a human's minimally recommended nutritional requirements as recommended by the FDA by eating at fast food joints three times a day and a whole lot of them have the nutritional "pyramid" (I know I'm dating myself, but I've forgotten which geometric shape we're using these days) posted. Cholesterol, calorie content charts are posted on the walls too. The question though is, is this a quality diet?

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

My point is that looking at labels may not tell the true picture. We can't do research. What research can we do???

Granted labels may not tell the whole picture - a juice box drink may provide 100% of the recommended daily requirements for Vitamin C. The juice source may be from a concentrate and the drink itself loaded with sugar and other artificial flavorings. However, if one bothers to read and employs a little common sense it isn't too hard to figure out that fresh squeezed orange juice would be a "healthier" choice.

As far as what research "we" can do well,

No one did any research on the products in the world until a few months ago and that was laboratory research by a couple of senior high school girls as part of a class project.

So two high school students discovered Ribena was a fraud. In the US I don't think FDA labels are that lax.

What research is done on dog food ?who knows if a great deal of the claimed contents is not a fraud.

TONS is the amount of research done on dog food in the US at least. There are also publications and investigative journalists devoted to doing research on dog foods. Canine nutritional specialists are also a growing specialty service for pets.

At least AAFCO are attending to the important components of the dog food that they fully approve.

AAFCO is like the FDA in setting minimal recommended dietary requirements for humans. Actually the whole argument is a bit moot. During the time we've been beating this dead horse, I have been doing even more reading of dog food labels. Between the number of sample packages I have here, the empty bags of a wide variety of foods I've fed (I'm saving them for a garden project to use a "mulch" of sorts) and my visits to the pet supply stores - with the exception of two foods - one a human grade specialty canned and not available on the majority of food supply shelves, the other a roll food, which more like a sample - so a full size roll probably does have it on there; to the bag everyone has AAFCO statement on it. I have a wide range in quality of foods - everything from near Ol' Roy quality to top of the line, and they all have AAFCO approval statements on them. So the "worry" that "unenlightened John Q Public" might walk into their local grocery or pet supply chain superstore or even the high end specialty shop and not get an AAFCO approved food is pretty much for naught in the US. In other words, it "ain't gonna happen."

So may we please finally bury this horse?

Debbie

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

What research is done on dog food ?who knows if a great deal of the claimed contents is not a fraud.

Well, Nick should know the answer to that. Didn't Hills create their ZD product from his research?

Originally Posted by glencorgi

This 180 turn on kibble since interviewing Dr. Nick is interesting and IF Michael were a true believer in the AAFCO, he wouldn't still be cooking for Taylor, Taylor would be getting exclusively his Hills because afterall, everything Taylor needs nutritionally is in that bag.

That is what I had said also; no extra human food would be needed and that is Hills belief also.

http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/faq/...=1175190078977


"Is it okay to feed my pet table scraps or "people" food?"

"We agree with veterinarians who strongly believe that feeding pets table scraps or “people” food can lead to excesses or deficiencies of nutrients in your pet’s diet. Therefore, we do not recommend feeding any food other than your pet’s Prescription Diet® brand pet food."

Originally Posted by glencorgi

So may we please finally bury this horse?

Would be nice.

[Dillydoodle]

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[Fluffypants]

la la la

Thanks Debbie - very well said!!

[Michael Romanos]

Linda and others - you are asking too much of me. Dr Cave says too much corn oil is not good but corn meal is very good. How much of corn oil ( or corn syrup if that happens to be another name for it???) in dog's food renders the food potentially harmful, I don't know. Do you know the exacting details. Same goes with other ingredients you deem to be bad or good. - are they? And it what quantities? I said that Dr Cave also believes in feeding dogs with more than just a dry food meal daily but he recommends no more than 10 percent by weight of the total meal. These are not the particular points I am trying to get across in this thread but other members are the ones who are harping on it. So harp away but don't be too hypocritical.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Linda and others - you are asking too much of me.

I'm confused by this statement. Does this mean that there is no way you are going to let this poor horse get buried? May as well render it and toss it in a dog food bag I guess and have AAFCO put its stamp of approval on it then. Or does it mean in spite of the ingredient lists, the percentage breakdowns of protein, fat, etc. on these AAFCO approved foods we can't know if what the labels say is actually true? Or that the ingredients may be in wrong formulations and could be toxic to our dogs? In essence, then none of these AAFCO approved labels mean anything?

Debbie

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Linda and others - you are asking too much of me.

I was asking you to look at the samples I provided of the AAFCO approved foods and just think about which one you would want to choose based on the list of ingredients.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Dr Cave says too much corn oil is not good but corn meal is very good. How much of corn oil ( or corn syrup if that happens to be another name for it???) in dog's food renders the food potentially harmful, I don't know

Corn syrup and corn oil aren't the same things and if you see "fructose" on an ingredient label, it often means "corn syrup" - anyone fell free to correct me on this.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I said that Dr Cave also believes in feeding dogs with more than just a dry food meal daily but he recommends no more than 10 percent by weight of the total meal.

Well, I don't understand this one. I think Nick must be Hills number one supporter and Hills does not believe in adding "people food" to your dogs daily diet. This must mean he does not think Hills is the best food or he would not recommend adding anything else. Does Nick know yet that he is the dietary spokesperson for Go Corgi?

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Do you know the exacting details. Same goes with other ingredients you deem to be bad or good. - are they? And it what quantities?

Well, you are making my brain tired with all your worrying about this. Honestly, do you spend this much time examing and worrying about every item of food you buy for yourself and if the "ingredients" are "for real" I thought you said if the AAFCO stamp of approval was on the dog food label, then we could trust it.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

So harp away but don't be too hypocritical.

Harp away about what? the AAFCO again or you continuing to talk about them.

[Cheetah]

A very close friend of mine is a certified nutritionist, and she doesn't fully trust AAFCO herself... just goes to show that there are differing opinions, even among nutritionists.