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[Michael Romanos]

That great drink for children for their perfect health and vitality, Ribena, is just a fraud after all these years and years. How many people has the makers of Ribena killed throught them contracting diabetes and in not getting the vitamin C that so many people need to counter serious diseases, from regularly drinking bottles of the stuff.

If you haven't heard, Ribena claims that its black currant-flavoured drinks contains four times as much vitamin C as does oranges. Well in one of the drinks there is only 1.5 more vitamin C than contained in an orange, almost no vitamin C present in another and another had ABSOLUTELY NONE. Then to cap it off, Ribena contains up to EIGHT TIMES MORE SUGAR per bottle than does a can of Coca Cola. So the upshot of this is that good old coke is healthier than the health drink Ribena. And we all know what a downfall Coca Cola is to all who drink it even in relative moderation.

All this has significance to dog food. Can we believe what the labels say. It does make one turn once again to AAFCO fully approved dog food because all AAFCO fully approved food has been tested and confirmed that the food does contain all the minerals, vitaimins and nutrients that a dog needs on a daily basis. Now one does not even need to read the labels if they know that AAFCO has stamped their approval on the food. That is infinitely better than buying something which may not mean what it says. I am convinced that there must be any number of dog food products that tells a lie and dupes the public and harms our dogs. And it is not just the little companies who could be cheats. Ribena is made by the world's second largest pharmaceutical company, GlaxoSmithKline.

[Dillydoodle]

I really wish you would just stop with trying to spur on the same darn conversation over and over about the darn aafco... you are killing me... the urge to reach out and strangle you is becoming more and more difficult to suppress LOL- in all seriousness, see all my previous posts regarding food, and aafco...
Emilie

[Dillydoodle]

I just grabbed the bag of Timberwolf wild and natural -not that i really cared becuase the ingredient list is great and I am an ingredient list reader- but this food states: " Timberwolf Organics pet foods are formulated to meet AAFCO nutrient profiles for all life stages and have met animal feeding trials using AAFCO procedures to substantiate that they provide complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages"

There is a big different from OLD ROY food that is AAFCO approved in overall quality than Timberwolf or Wellness, or Prarie Natural.... we could argue this until the end of time, Micheal, those who disagree with your logic are not going to be swayed just becuase you bring the same subject up in a new thread day after day for us to rehash over and over...

Emilie

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

It does make one turn once again to AAFCO fully approved dog food because all AAFCO fully approved food has been tested and confirmed that the food does contain all the minerals, vitaimins and nutriants that a dog needs on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I am as of today ( but come tomorrow or in a few days it might be different) unable to reconcile AAFCO's separate standards for puppies and seniors on one hand and adults on the other with products which apparantly cover all three stages and yet receive AAFCO approval.

Michael,

Are we going to bring up the AAFCO again. Didn't we just get into this recently. You confuse me- do you agree with the validity of the AAFCO agency or not because you just stated in the first quote that we should look for their stamp of approval on the bag as a good thing in regards to labels

However, in your second quote you are "Second guessing" them and can't understand how a food that has been tested and has "their approval" on it even if it has all the necesary vitamins, nutrients and minerals in it can be adequate for all life stages

So I am wondering if you believe in their stamp of approval or not - You can't say that you believe in their statement if it is on a bag of food made for "adult dogs" and then turn around and say you don't believe in them if their approval statement is on a bag of food "for all life stages"

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Now one does not even need to read the labels if they know that AAFCO has stamped their approval on the food..

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but if I see their stamp of approval on the label, I still read the label. I want to know what the protein source is, the grains and fruits and vegetables(if there are any). I want to know the percentages of protein, fat, and fiber, etc. If my dog were to have established food allergies, I most certainly would want to read the ingredient contents. Same for calories; I want to know how many calories per cup. When I buy food at the grocery store for myself, I read labels, don't you?

[Michael Romanos]

Linda - thanks for all that. I am still waiting for information in regard to puppy-adult-senior food and all-purpose food.

Ah, ooh, what I am trying to say is quite simple: if a dog food product is fully approved by AAFCO research teams, then you know you are not getting the Ribena type of fraud. In other words you are getting the real deal otherwise AAFCO would not have approved at least all the vitally important minerals,vitamins and nutrients contents of the food. This wasn't so with Ribena - instead of vitamin C the producers simply added sugar.

What I am also saying is you can read labels and maybe you can make some sense out of them as a lay person, but does the food actually contain what the labels says. With Genuinely approved AAFCO food there is a great deal more surety.

Emilie - I am sorry for making you mad. But I've got you looking.

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Linda - thanks for all that. I am still waiting for information in regard to puppy-adult-senior food and all-purpose food.

From who? You contacted the AAFCO?

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

What I am also saying is you can read labels and maybey ou can make some sense out of them as a lay person, but does the food actually contain what the labels says.With Genuinely approved AAFCO food there is a great deal more surety.

What I meant was even if the food has the AAFCO seal of "approval" on it, I always still read the labels; because the ingredients are important to me.

[Dillydoodle]

just becuase a food meets the bare minimum of standards set forth by the AAFCO doesnt mean that it is high quality, just that it has met the BARE minimum of standards... I wont feed my dog low quality food just becuase it has a stamp of approval on it from the AAFCO<- i would prefer to read a label and find QUALITY ingredients ... I am not as much mad as i am frustrated that we go over the same topic over and over and over... I feel obligated to reply incase someone reads just this one thread and takes what you say to mean that anything with an AAFCO stamp is quality because sadly that is not the case... but i am growing tired of the same conversation, i feel like a broken record...
Emilie

[corgimom]

Michael, this is what Emilie is trying to say. These are both AAFCO approved -now if you had a choice, which would you feed Taylor between these two, if you could afford either one?
This is why I read labels.



Ol' Roy Premium Dog Food

Ingredient Name

1. Ground Yellow Corn
2. Soybean Meal
3. Ground Whole Wheat
4. Corn Syrup
5. Poultry Fat
6. Meat Meal/Meat & Bone Meal
7. BHA/BHT
8. Chicken Byproduct Meal
9. Animal Digest
10. Rice
11. Salt
12. Calcium Carbonate
13. Choline Chloride
14. Vitamins/Minerals
15. Sodium Selenite


Fromm Whitefish & Potato

Ingredient Name

1. Whitefish
2. Potatoes
3. Menhaden Fish Meal
4. Sweet Potatoes
5. Brown Rice
6. Pearled Barley
7. Oatmeal/Rolled Oats
8. White Rice
9. Herring Meal
10. Dried Egg
11. Millet
12. Tomato Pomace
13. Canola Oil
14. Cheese
15. Flaxseed
16. Menhaden Fish Oil
17. Carrots
18. Broccoli
19. Cauliflower
20. Apples
21. Lecithin
22. Chicken Cartilage
23. Cranberries
24. Blueberries
25. Salt
26. Chicory Root Extract
27. Alfalfa Sprouts
28. Yucca Schidigera
29. Parsley
30. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms
31. Vitamins/Minerals
32. Sodium Selenite

[corgimom]

Michael two other examples of AAFCO approved foods; which would you choose, if you could afford to buy either of them?

INNOVA Dog Food

1. Turkey
2. Chicken
3. Chicken Meeal
4. Ground Barley
5. Ground Brown Rice
6. Potatoes
7. Natural Flavor
8. Ground White Rice
9. Chicken Fat
10. Herring
11. Apples
12. Carrots
13. Cottage Cheese
14. Sunflower Oil
15. Alfalfa Sprouts
16. Egg
17. Garlic
18. Taurine
19. Choline Chloride
20. Calcium Carbonate
21. Vitamins/Minerals
22. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms




ALPO(TM) Lamb Meal, Rice & Barley Dog Food

Ingredient Name
1. Ground Yellow Corn
2. Chicken Byproducts
3. Poultry By-Product Meal
4. Animal Fat
5. Lamb Meal
6. Brewer's Rice
7. Ground Barley
8. Soybean Meal
9. Corn Gluten Meal
10. Chicory Root Extract
11. Salt

[MagnoliaFly]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

That great drink for children for their perfect health and vitality, Ribena, is just a fraud after all these years and years. How many people has the makers of Ribena killed throught them contracting diabetes and in not getting the vitamin C that so many people need to counter serious diseases, from regularly drinking bottles of the stuff.

I think this actually makes a good point Michael. It shows that parents should look at labels and do some research into what foods their children are eating rather than believing claims made by companies or by some stamp of approval by a governing authority.

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

All this has significance to dog food. Can we believe what the labels say. It does make one turn once again to AAFCO fully approved dog food because all AAFCO fully approved food has been tested and confirmed that the food does contain all the minerals, vitaimins and nutrients that a dog needs on a daily basis. Now one does not even need to read the labels if they know that AAFCO has stamped their approval on the food. That is infinitely better than buying something which may not mean what it says. I am convinced that there must be any number of dog food products that tells a lie and dupes the public and harms our dogs. And it is not just the little companies who could be cheats. Ribena is made by the world's second largest pharmaceutical company, GlaxoSmithKline.

I absolutely agree with this too. Alpo and Iams claim their foods are excellent quality but after looking at labels it doesn't live up to the claim. Is the label incorrect? Is the food excellent quality but they are downplaying it in their ingredient list? I doubt it. AAFCO has a guideline. Its a GUIDELINE not a standard. AAFCO approves many foods, and because of that I wonder how high their standard is. It certainly doesn't seem to be very high.

Oh and all of those foods that were recalled were AAFCO approved if I remember correctly. What does that say about that? Approved food kills cats and dogs. Great. I'll be sure to always take heart that AAFCO is ensuring the safety and health of my dog and cat. Whoopee. The FDA also approves drugs that ended up killing people. Does that mean consumers should blindly follow doctors orders and take whatever they're prescribed if its FDA approved? I don't think so.

[Fluffypants]

Linda - your examples above are great illustrations of the different levels of "approved quality". I know which ones I'd pick, and that's why reading the labels is so important.

[milles2]

Are we just being baited?

And by the page "moderator"?

Is life really that slow?