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Montana does not listen - 02-04-2007, 06:47 PM

Okay, so Montana is 1 year and 1 month old. She has been to a puppy training class at the class she would pick up on the command and do everything almost perfectly. But when I would get her home it was like she never even saw or heard that command before. I finally got frustrated with her and kinda said whatever. Until today when she ran out the front door behind me and I ended up spending 20 minutes chasing her around the neighborhood with her going in the road and everything because she doesnt come when called and doesnt listen. What can I do to get her trained and behaving like a well raised Corgi without spending more money on classes. I would also love to get her into agility classes eventually too.


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02-04-2007, 06:56 PM

Good luck! Repetition and reward, and being consistent seem to help w/ my two.

From 6 months to about a year - supposedly - dogs go thru the "teen years". Their behavior supposedly goes down hill.

Tuck went thru it and came out at about age 1. I had to put a leash on him just to get him to the car. Otherwise I'd end up chasing him around the yard.

Lulu started the same thing about 6 months. Fortunately, she doing better.

But I have been advised that Corgis are particularly strong willed - a major reason Tuck and Lulu will be in Obedience class forever!


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02-04-2007, 07:01 PM

Chip is still on a leash from the house to the car. He is trustworthy 99 percent of the time but it is the 1 percent that I worry about. He normally will come when called but I am afraid to let him loose outside his yard. Sad aren't I.


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02-04-2007, 07:18 PM

Buta stays very close to me & never strays off. My mum always says that she has stuck herself to my legs There are times when she would not come when called but it happens only when I am in her view but she is plain lazy to move


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02-04-2007, 07:33 PM

Ah, the teenage years.....
Frankly, puppy class is just not enough for most dogs. Most of the puppy class is about teaching people how to understand their dogs. It is really important that you maintain and continue with obedience- partcularily with a corgi! )
Like Susan siad- repetition, consistency and rewards will help with your recall problem. Here are a couple of suggestions:

A really important part of teaching a reliable recall is REWARD, REWARD, REWARD! Even if you spend 20 minutes trying to catch her- when you finally get her tell her what a good girl she is!!!! NEVER PUNISH....all you do is end up teaching your dog that you are unpredictable and shouldn't be caught.

Never chase her- all dogs like to be chased and it becomes a great game!!!

Practice on a long line or in a contained space getting her to chase you! As soon as she is close turn around and give her a cookie.

Good Luck! And keep with it- it will get better!

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02-04-2007, 07:43 PM

Stacy - Montana is like most Corgis. They will respond in 'clinical' situations perfectly - so that there should be little problem in her successfully doing agility - and in other situations - such as from home-base - they will do, for a long period of time (way past her age of 13 months) what they think they must do no matter what. Thus her efforts to escape to the streets and not even blink an eye when called back. What might help is to create invisable barriers ie 'lines' of a boundary she is not allowed to go past eg an open front door. Lengthy periods of staying on command help in this regard with rewards (praise and treats) at a successful conclusion.
My Taylor is now a four year old and up until a week ago he still has it in his mind every so often to escape from the rear of my property to the front. Whenever he doesn't really want to be in the very nice rear of my property with its big lawn, trees, gardens, seats and stream, he will go upstream and into basically two neighbours proerties, onto the public pavement to get back home in the front of the house where he waits by the front door under shelter to be readmitted inside. However, some stern words and rattling his neck a little, may or may not have finally cured him of doing that - I think not.
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Lola doesn't wear a leash except when she is in heat. She loves to go driving with me and sometimes she even goes to work with me. Unless Lola needs to take care of business then she will ignore you until she is done and runs like the wind to me. If I tell her "no" she won't even go chase a dog even though she would like to do that very much.
Lord only goes into the yard, but he did escape twice last summer (the gate was closed very good by my son and his friends). When I caught him and brought him home and didn't even say that he was a bad dog because if he thinks that he is a bad dog and in trouble then he won't come back next time. So when I brought him home I told him that he was a good boy for coming home (ignoring the fact that I dragged him there while he was trying to mark as much of the field as possible) and gave him a treat.


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Ah, the teenage years.....
Frankly, puppy class is just not enough for most dogs. Most of the puppy class is about teaching people how to understand their dogs. It is really important that you maintain and continue with obedience- partcularily with a corgi! )
Like Susan siad- repetition, consistency and rewards will help with your recall problem. Here are a couple of suggestions:

A really important part of teaching a reliable recall is REWARD, REWARD, REWARD! Even if you spend 20 minutes trying to catch her- when you finally get her tell her what a good girl she is!!!! NEVER PUNISH....all you do is end up teaching your dog that you are unpredictable and shouldn't be caught.

Never chase her- all dogs like to be chased and it becomes a great game!!!

Practice on a long line or in a contained space getting her to chase you! As soon as she is close turn around and give her a cookie.

Good Luck! And keep with it- it will get better!

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Amanda,

I practice the reliable recall daily and Cody gets rewarded each time. When we are out in the back yard playing by ourselves, I can call him from across the yard by yelling "here" and he will stop what he is doing and come running full speed to me(and he gets a couple of treats and lots of verbal praise) He has been wonderful at doing this for the past 6 months, consistantly.

HOWEVER , if he is off leash in the back yard and the neighbors are out, it is a different story. Two weeks ago, he heard the neighbor shoveling next door and ran from our backyard to greet the guy in his driveway and I yelled "Here" and it fell on deaf ears; he could have care less about listening to me. What can I do differently so that he comes every Time I call "here" especially when the neighbors are out. I am always outside with him as we don't have a fenced in yard.

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It is very difficult to know exactly what to say or how to react when your Corgi turns up or comes back from somewhere they shouldn't have been in the first place. Bad for going awol, good for coming when called or coming back on their own steam. My reaction to this behaviour is non committal ie no reaction either way - no treat or praise either.
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02-05-2007, 08:31 AM

Poor Stacy. There's no quick fix, unfortunately - just practice practice practice. And always make sure she gets rewarded for coming when called (it also helps if you can make your voice sound happy when you call her, even thought you may want to wring her little neck). The more fun you make it sound, the more likely she is to come. Another good thing that works is calling her while running AWAY from her and clapping (as if you are playing a game with her - as Amanda mentioned above). While you are practicing, you might want to invest in a long line as insurance, so that she can't really get away from you.

She'll get there, just try to invest 10-15 minutes a day for practice. And, until she is 100% perfect at recall, always keep her on leash (and in any new situations also, because sometimes they can't apply what they learned in one environment to what is happening in a different environment - does that make sense?).


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I have been practicing the recall with Cody for over 6 months now and he is so good at dropping what he is doing outside and running full speed to me when I yell "here". I reward him with a few treats and lots of praise. We practice his recall daily. He will chase his ball to one side of the back yard and I will be at the other and yell "here" and he always comes to me.

However, two weeks ago, we were out in back and the neighbor next door was out in front and Cody heard him and took off running to go and greet him(this guy is not a big dog fan) - I yelled " Cody here" twice and it fell on deaf ears - he could have cared less. I went over to the guys yard and apologized and picked up Cody and brought him back home - unfortunately, this proved that Cody is not reliable with his recall and I am not sure what I can do about it. It just showed me that somethings are just too tempting for him. He knows the sit/stay, but he was already at full speed to go to the neighbors house - any suggestions? He is just about 15 months now -

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02-05-2007, 10:00 AM

I agree with everyone here - practice and reward - as much as possible.

I have just started the 2nd level of training with Jemma who is just a year now. She's perfect in class and then we get outside and the listening clicks off.

One of the things this trainer swears by is the stand/stay and then sit from a distance. There are lots of times when calling your dog back to you could cause them more harm - like crossing a road - and it's better for you to have them stay in place and go to them. I plan on really working hard on this with Jem and she will hopefully get it. She seems quite bright and likes to learn - so she's only limited by me!


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