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glencorgi · 03-20-2009, 10:59 PM

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Just finished puppy training Day 1. Nothing new, but it should be a good experience.
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-chill

Good to hear.

Debbie

DarkSephiroth · 03-21-2009, 05:19 AM

So since you started a new thread for me, it looks like I will have to talk about the class now!

We were all given clickers for a positive marker by pairing it with a treat. Using the "Watch" command was basically what we did today. We wait for the puppy to do something else, then say "Watch!" and if the puppy looks at your face, you give him a click & treat. The trainer, Katie, used Buster as an example for "watch". He literally picked it up in about 45 seconds and now, as soon as I say "watch" he looks at me immediately and gets a click & treat. She also told us to use the click & treat method when the dog eliminates outside. Buster's pretty impressive. He's learning things and much more eager to learn than Corgi was / is. Corgi will always be my love, but Buster is going to be the obedient one. XD

My girlfriend made a funny joke the other day. She said that since I treat Corgi like my baby, Buster is going to feel left out. So she said "Buster is going to go get the newspaper, bring it to you, grab your sandals and bring them to your feet with the newspaper ready in his mouth, and then you're going to be like "ooh, Corgi you jumped on the bed, good boy!" And not be paying attention to Buster."

My response of course is that I've had almost two years to bond with Corgi, and he was my first dog. We've only had Buster for a month or so, so I haven't bonded with him in the same way yet.

Katie, the dog trainer, has a pretty amazing Border Collie named Opal. She listens to every word she says, and knows how to do pretty advanced things like opening / closing doors and turning lights on. One day, I want Buster to be like that. I'm going to be spending around 15-30 minutes a day training with Buster, hopefully he will grow up very well!

Dillydoodle · 03-21-2009, 06:10 AM

Sounds like a great first class. You know that Watch command is very helpful in getting your dog to pay attention to you when you need them to.. I use the word "look" for the same command... I also paired it with hand signals as well ( i point at my eye).

I really like the clicker as it instantly marks the behavior and they get it fast and can learn a lot of new behaviors quickly with the clicker.

The other thing is that while working with Buster... you can also apply the same lessons and information to corgi as well... that way they can both learn the same things.. Dillon was my dog who loves to "work" so when we are training , he is "on". Gus never really did training, so he is slower and takes a little longer to get it... but he wants to learn too... mostly for the food treats LOL!

Keep up the good work with them and practice a little every day... always leave on a positive note to keep training fun...

Emilie

DarkSephiroth · 03-21-2009, 02:10 PM

Oh, definitely I already have started using the same stuff for Corgi that I learned on Buster. Since I walk Corgi 3 times a day, I take time while I'm out there to train him while I walk him. As I take Buster out about 8-10 times a day, I do the same with him. It's amazing how you can just teach a dog simple things and they pick it up with ease.

Peggy · 03-21-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSephiroth

Katie, the dog trainer, has a pretty amazing Border Collie named Opal. She listens to every word she says, and knows how to do pretty advanced things like opening / closing doors and turning lights on. One day, I want Buster to be like that. I'm going to be spending around 15-30 minutes a day training with Buster, hopefully he will grow up very well!

Border collies are born understanding English.

They are a breed that likes to work and very eager to please. They want something to do every waking minute.

Corgis are not Border collies and while they are very smart they do not have the same desire to please or be doing something for you every minute of their waking hours.

Peggy

DarkSephiroth · 03-28-2009, 02:06 PM

So Buster is 100% perfect with the "Watch" command. He's an unusually attentive dog!

Day 2 of his Puppy Training class was yesterday. We worked on "Sit" with both vocal and hand cues. Buster already knew the vocal cue, so we mainly worked on the hand cue. He picked it up in about 5 repetitions, so now he knows to sit with the hand cue or the vocal cue. Sitting was basically no problem. The next topic was the difficult one, Loose Leash Walking. That's definitely something we need to work on this week. Basically, I was making Walk & Potty time one and the same. I figured that was OK, but the trainer told me not to do that. She told me to take him to the same spot to pee every time, and just stand there and wait for him to poop, without moving from my spot until he does. This is going to be a pretty tough concept, but it will be rewarding when he learns to poop right when I take him out to the side. As for the loose-leash walking, it's supposed to be a two-part exercise. Part 1 is to just stand around nicely without him pulling, and every time the dog returns to you give him a treat. Part 2 is to say the dog's name and tell him "Let's go" and take a step. If the dog runs out to the end of the leash, we're supposed to wait until he returns to you. I will practice all week!

Booski59 · 03-28-2009, 06:09 PM

This sounds like a great class. We have a short course at our community college, but it is not as good as this. When Buster learns to turn off/on lights are you going to have to move the switches down to Corgi hight? LOL. Keep us posted on his progress and best of luck for your little genius.

Chip's Mom · 03-28-2009, 06:20 PM

Corgis are not Border collies and while they are very smart they do not have the same desire to please or be doing something for you every minute of their waking hours.

Ok Peggy, thanks for my laugh of the day. You are spot on with that comment. Corgis, IMO, work for themselves with the top priority is fun fun fun and food food food at least with my three.

Peggy · 03-28-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

Corgis are not Border collies and while they are very smart they do not have the same desire to please or be doing something for you every minute of their waking hours.

Ok Peggy, thanks for my laugh of the day. You are spot on with that comment. Corgis, IMO, work for themselves with the top priority is fun fun fun and food food food at least with my three.

Glad to provide that!

Corgis have a "what's in it for me" attitude and don't like to drill. They do it right a time or two and they figure if you didn't see it then tough luck. (Ok, maybe they'll do it a third time if you're lucky. I don't usally ask for more than that.)

And most of them could wear a "will work for food" sign.

Border collies, want please. They have a "what can I do for you" attitude. They are more willing to do whatever again and again if it makes you happy.

Peggy

Dillydoodle · 03-28-2009, 08:34 PM

oh peggy that is so true about the border collies! Dillon was one to learn new things quickly and was willing to do repetition as long as i had cookies LOL take away the treats and then it is about them doing it just becuase i asked and want them to and that changes the game totally... he might do it once or twice and then he is all done working for free LOL!

Teaching the dogs to potty on command is helpful for sure... I just stand outside and say "go pee" they will and they still get a cookie when they come back inside... but only if they pee... Dillon will try to fake pee if he thinks he can trick me... which he can't! LOL and when he gets no cookie he runs back out and pees quickly ... now if i want them to poop, i actually say ok, now go poop... and they will go find a spot to go... I do sometimes have to remind them what i am looking for them to do but they go in the same area and on command...very helpful when you are trying to get them empty before going out somewhere... I do use a verbal command that way they know why i am out there with them and they have a purpose for being out there and know what that purpose is...

Emilie

LaRogue · 03-28-2009, 10:43 PM

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... Dillon will try to fake pee if he thinks he can trick me...

The most hilarious thing I've heard all day! Too funny!!

Dillydoodle · 03-29-2009, 06:42 AM

to see the "fake pee" is even funnier.. he will run to a bush , half lift his leg for like 2 seconds while making eye contact with me, to say "see, mom, I'm peein'" then runs back expectantly... well, i always say " nice try... now go pee! " and he will run back over to really pee... it always makes me laugh... these corgis are soooo smart..too smart for their own good sometimes..

Emilie

Peggy · 03-29-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

these corgis are soooo smart..too smart for their own good sometimes..

Boy do I agree with that!! And his "fake peeing" is so funny! Darn smart dog!

Peggy

DarkSephiroth · 03-31-2009, 05:36 PM

Here's Buster's first couple videos we took on his small amount of knowledge attained so far! He's coming along quite well! (Except Loose-Leash Walking)

General Tricks he's learned so far (Stay, Come, Sit, Down):
Tricks 1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

The "Crate" command I taught him:
Crate 1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Crate 2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

GinaRae · 03-31-2009, 05:52 PM

That is great --

Buster is adorable!

03-21-2009, 05:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
DarkSephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 850 Member's Picture Albums	So since you started a new thread for me, it looks like I will have to talk about the class now! We were all given clickers for a positive marker by pairing it with a treat. Using the "Watch" command was basically what we did today. We wait for the puppy to do something else, then say "Watch!" and if the puppy looks at your face, you give him a click & treat. The trainer, Katie, used Buster as an example for "watch". He literally picked it up in about 45 seconds and now, as soon as I say "watch" he looks at me immediately and gets a click & treat. She also told us to use the click & treat method when the dog eliminates outside. Buster's pretty impressive. He's learning things and much more eager to learn than Corgi was / is. Corgi will always be my love, but Buster is going to be the obedient one. XD My girlfriend made a funny joke the other day. She said that since I treat Corgi like my baby, Buster is going to feel left out. So she said "Buster is going to go get the newspaper, bring it to you, grab your sandals and bring them to your feet with the newspaper ready in his mouth, and then you're going to be like "ooh, Corgi you jumped on the bed, good boy!" And not be paying attention to Buster." My response of course is that I've had almost two years to bond with Corgi, and he was my first dog. We've only had Buster for a month or so, so I haven't bonded with him in the same way yet. Katie, the dog trainer, has a pretty amazing Border Collie named Opal. She listens to every word she says, and knows how to do pretty advanced things like opening / closing doors and turning lights on. One day, I want Buster to be like that. I'm going to be spending around 15-30 minutes a day training with Buster, hopefully he will grow up very well! __________________ -chill

03-21-2009, 02:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
DarkSephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 850 Member's Picture Albums	Oh, definitely I already have started using the same stuff for Corgi that I learned on Buster. Since I walk Corgi 3 times a day, I take time while I'm out there to train him while I walk him. As I take Buster out about 8-10 times a day, I do the same with him. It's amazing how you can just teach a dog simple things and they pick it up with ease. __________________ -chill

03-28-2009, 02:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
DarkSephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 850 Member's Picture Albums	So Buster is 100% perfect with the "Watch" command. He's an unusually attentive dog! Day 2 of his Puppy Training class was yesterday. We worked on "Sit" with both vocal and hand cues. Buster already knew the vocal cue, so we mainly worked on the hand cue. He picked it up in about 5 repetitions, so now he knows to sit with the hand cue or the vocal cue. Sitting was basically no problem. The next topic was the difficult one, Loose Leash Walking. That's definitely something we need to work on this week. Basically, I was making Walk & Potty time one and the same. I figured that was OK, but the trainer told me not to do that. She told me to take him to the same spot to pee every time, and just stand there and wait for him to poop, without moving from my spot until he does. This is going to be a pretty tough concept, but it will be rewarding when he learns to poop right when I take him out to the side. As for the loose-leash walking, it's supposed to be a two-part exercise. Part 1 is to just stand around nicely without him pulling, and every time the dog returns to you give him a treat. Part 2 is to say the dog's name and tell him "Let's go" and take a step. If the dog runs out to the end of the leash, we're supposed to wait until he returns to you. I will practice all week! __________________ -chill

03-28-2009, 06:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Booski59 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Torrington, Wyoming Posts: 419 Member's Picture Albums	This sounds like a great class. We have a short course at our community college, but it is not as good as this. When Buster learns to turn off/on lights are you going to have to move the switches down to Corgi hight? LOL. Keep us posted on his progress and best of luck for your little genius. __________________ Boo Buchheit

03-28-2009, 06:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,760	Corgis are not Border collies and while they are very smart they do not have the same desire to please or be doing something for you every minute of their waking hours. Ok Peggy, thanks for my laugh of the day. You are spot on with that comment. Corgis, IMO, work for themselves with the top priority is fun fun fun and food food food at least with my three. __________________ Bonnie A Good Home, Loving Family and Three Loyal Corgis at my feet - I am truly Blessed.

03-21-2009, 06:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dillydoodle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,272	Sounds like a great first class. You know that Watch command is very helpful in getting your dog to pay attention to you when you need them to.. I use the word "look" for the same command... I also paired it with hand signals as well ( i point at my eye). I really like the clicker as it instantly marks the behavior and they get it fast and can learn a lot of new behaviors quickly with the clicker. The other thing is that while working with Buster... you can also apply the same lessons and information to corgi as well... that way they can both learn the same things.. Dillon was my dog who loves to "work" so when we are training , he is "on". Gus never really did training, so he is slower and takes a little longer to get it... but he wants to learn too... mostly for the food treats LOL! Keep up the good work with them and practice a little every day... always leave on a positive note to keep training fun... Emilie

03-28-2009, 08:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dillydoodle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,272	oh peggy that is so true about the border collies! Dillon was one to learn new things quickly and was willing to do repetition as long as i had cookies LOL take away the treats and then it is about them doing it just becuase i asked and want them to and that changes the game totally... he might do it once or twice and then he is all done working for free LOL! Teaching the dogs to potty on command is helpful for sure... I just stand outside and say "go pee" they will and they still get a cookie when they come back inside... but only if they pee... Dillon will try to fake pee if he thinks he can trick me... which he can't! LOL and when he gets no cookie he runs back out and pees quickly ... now if i want them to poop, i actually say ok, now go poop... and they will go find a spot to go... I do sometimes have to remind them what i am looking for them to do but they go in the same area and on command...very helpful when you are trying to get them empty before going out somewhere... I do use a verbal command that way they know why i am out there with them and they have a purpose for being out there and know what that purpose is... Emilie

03-29-2009, 06:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
Dillydoodle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,272	to see the "fake pee" is even funnier.. he will run to a bush , half lift his leg for like 2 seconds while making eye contact with me, to say "see, mom, I'm peein'" then runs back expectantly... well, i always say " nice try... now go pee! " and he will run back over to really pee... it always makes me laugh... these corgis are soooo smart..too smart for their own good sometimes.. Emilie

03-31-2009, 05:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
DarkSephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 850 Member's Picture Albums	Here's Buster's first couple videos we took on his small amount of knowledge attained so far! He's coming along quite well! (Except Loose-Leash Walking) General Tricks he's learned so far (Stay, Come, Sit, Down): Tricks 1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! The "Crate" command I taught him: Crate 1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! Crate 2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! __________________ -chill

03-31-2009, 05:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
GinaRae Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 39	That is great -- Buster is adorable! __________________ Gina

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