Rule

[CORGI]

Please NO selling or trading of live animals here.
Including puppies,adult dogs and stud service.

[Michael Romanos]

Why shouldn't Go Corgis be an avenue for the prospective sale etc of Corgis and previews of puppies due and the listing of dogs for stud duties?

[CORGI]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Why shouldn't Go Corgis be an avenue for the prospective sale etc of Corgis and previews of puppies due and the listing of dogs for stud duties?

We recommend only buying puppies from reputable breeders for many reasons. Those who breed for profit and sell over the internet or in the classifieds, do not follow the PWCCA code of ethics. http://www.pwcca.org/code.htm
Internet message boards, such as this, have become an avenue for back yard breeders and puppy mills to sell less than quality dogs and pimp stud dogs with no genetic health testing.

ALL of the dogs that end up in corgi rescue are purchased from these type breeders.

NO reputable breeders would sell puppies or offer stud service through an internet message board.

Here’s a comparison:
http://www.dog-play.com/breedercomparison.htm
Please educate yourself about this instead of blindly condoning irresponsible breeding practices.

[Michael Romanos]

I'm sure it's a little more of a grey situation that your black and white scenario.
When you say "we recommend" who is the "we."
Who says who is a reputable breeder.
Many people want Corgis just as pets and companions - not for shows or sport. So why pay leading breeder prices and prices for show-quality dogs when this is the case.
Mind you, the USA has the world's largest number of dogs per capita. I suppose one might therefore consider there is some kind of dog overpopulation in the USA and that there is a lot of bad dog owners. I think it's the latter.
If leading Corgi breeders in New Zealand and in other countries outside of the USA, wish to sell Corgis to the USA, why shouldn't they be allowed advertising access in Go Corgi. Any person buying a Corgi in the USA from a far flung country like NZ would have to be a committed dog owner. Some of NZ's leading breeders do sell Corgis to the USA and to many other parts of the world.

[nconantj]

I believe in the policy of starting off with a strict rule and then later precisely defining exceptions to it.

Some exceptions might be:
1) All legitimate Rescue organizations may post with regards to corgis available for adoption. From what I've seen at Corgi-L, whenever a rescued corgi is moved, s/he is driven from start to finish by a network of people, rather than stuffed on a plane and flown.

2) A breeder who has been "certified" as a legitimate breeder may post regarding pups for sale. If the PWCCA doesn't certify corgi breeders, then certification would be by members checking out the breeder and their facilities, ensuring that they follow the PWCCA code of ethics. The certification can be implemented into a special rank for breeders, allowing them to be the only ones allowed to start threads in a special forum for this purpose. All other forums would be off limits for sales, etc. A similar system could be put in place for rescues (exception above).

[corgimom]

Michael.


I see your points, but I also agree with Corgi. A reputable breeder is one
who tests both parents for things that may affect their breed so that the litter has the best chance of being healthy. They breed for the betterment of the breed, not for the money, because they love Corgis. So many dogs end up in rescues because people got these purebreds from back yard breeders who did not test the sire and dam for anything and the puppies end up with health problems, temperament problems and then their families no longer want to bother with them. Just go to PETFINDER.COM and check out all the dogs at Humane societies and rescues - many of them purebreds - probably most of them from backyard breeders who didn't have a clue as to what they were doing, but made a profit. I knew a lady who bought a AKC Cocker spaniel and then bred it twice and never did any health checks on her dog or
the sire - WHY? As she told me, she made enough profit off those two litters
to justify getting her dog and that the money made from the litters would cover the health expenses of owning her dog - can you believe that one! Sad, but true. My own mother in law bought two Boston Terriers from a so called back yard breeder(same litter) and Both dogs had to each have an eye removed when they were just 1 1/2 years old - no testing was ever done on the parents - just plain irresponsible breeding.

Linda
Corgimom

[CorgiMum]

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[corgimom]

Thanks for finding this ...I also voted yes.

linda

[Lady's Daddy]

I voted no simply because: yes, a reputable breeder shouldn't and/or wouldn't try to sell puppies on an internet message, but I think people have the right to buy a pup from whoever they would like. Although I wouldn't do it, I don't think that taking that right away from people is the way to go. Just because people want to test the waters selling their pups on here doesn't mean they are bad breeders or bad people. It's up to buyers to get the information to make an informed decision on whether or not they should buy a dog from anyone whether it be from someone online or a well documented breeder. If it was to become a rule: I would like to propose a way for GoCorgi recommended breeders to post their litters.

[tandemgal]

I can see both sides too...

We have had many people asking for information on where to find puppies...and we all know how difficult it is to find a good breeder program...and we are always happy to see when people find their corgi puppy or older rescue dog...

but at the same time I would hate for Go Corgi to get into a bad situation where a Puppy Mill "breeder" could use us to nab someone into buying from them because the buyer trusted us!

For now I vote yes...

[Jespah]

This is indeed a grey area, not black and white. I can see both sides but I am leaning towards yes. Those of you who followed the "New Puppies" post recently, saw all of the questions the knowledgeable members of GoCorgi were asking the "breeder". Two things came out of that. 1. All lot of "newbies" learned what you should know about a breeder or what to ask about the pups. 2. The "breeder" never responded to any of the detailed questions beyond that the pups were AKC registered and they had been tested for hips and eyes - this to me would raise a red flag about this "breeder" and I personally would not have gone to them for a pup.

I think that there should be a way for people to "advertise" their pups, dogs for sale or stud services. Perhaps with a form that allows certain things to be ticked off - such as testing, registration, health issues, etc.

I know how difficult it has been for me in the last few weeks to find reputable breeders with pups, and having somewhere with good information would have been a places to start. How different would it be than the many Corgi and kennel clubs I saw with lists of breeders that had disclaimers saying they in no way endorsed or guarenteed any of them?

Deb

Deb

[Fluffypants]

I voted yes also.

At the very least, you would want to make sure that they had proof of testing done on the parents, that the pups have seen a vet, etc.. All you have to do for a dog to be AKC registered is fill out a form. Just because a dog is "purebred" doesn't mean it's a healthy, good quality, example of the breed. That's why I waited to get Jackie from a breeder that was a member of the PWCCA.

[CorgiMum]

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