What does your corgi do if he/she is angry with you?

[Dillydoodle]

OH michael, Apparently Taylor is 100% perfect. Sorry but really, you are telling me he has never once NOT listened to you? I have expectations. Dillon is expected to pay attention when i ask him to do something - let me give an example. If I tell him to COME he needs to come, i dont care what he is doing. That is for HIS safety that i insist on this. I run a tight ship here. He doesnt get to do whatever he wants. He has to listen. If he is ignoring me, which as I said is a RARE occasion, and i have no way to get his attention via leash, and the clapping of hands is ignored, then I need to make a louder noise, made by a stomp of a foot, or a magazine slapped on my hand or floor, and this gets his attention. He never has nor ever will be hit. This technique has been used twice in 18 months... IF he was so super sensitive, he would have listened immediately when i clapped my hands or said his name in a loud stern voice. In both instances, he did not listen and proceeded to do what he was not supposed to do. So you can think what you will, with the limited information you have about what i do or dont do with my dog. Maybe taylor is more sensitive than Dillon. Also, I am not condoning thowing things at or near the dog, that is something i dont think is appropriate. And a whack on the floor is not done NEXT to the dog...should i be close enough to whack a magazine on the floor next to the dog i would be able to reach out to his collar and give a tug to get his attention so there would be no need for a magazine. I do this when he is 10+ feet away and i cant get to him fast. Not like i am smacking a magazine on the ground next to him.. geez.. whatever, now i am all irriatated, I am going to take my poor ABUSED dog for his morning walk...
Emilie

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Discipling children has nothing to do with dogs. Dog are not humans. I believe there will be a turnaround in societies that presently ban or frown on smacking children in schools by teachers and at home by parents. But dogs are a different kettle, especially sensitive breeds and the breeds that can harbour aggression.
The act of raising an object to a dog, and having an object pound onto the floor where the dog is stationed, is just as bad as the object making contact with the dog.- particularly so with regard to a Corgi's sensitivities.
If I did to Taylor what Artos and Dillydoodle do to their Corgis, he would be half the dog he is.

Michael,

Are you saying that you are hoping there is a turnaround with the way teachers can discipline students in schools in regards to hitting/slapping and that you would be okay with that, yet, making a loud noise to get a dogs attention to stop a bad behavior is wrong because Corgis are sensitive? That is the underlying message that I am getting.

Now just the other day you gave advice out in regards to slapping our Corgis chest as a way of helping to develop it. Since I have never heard of that before it is not something I intend on doing and if I did, Cody would certainly think that I was hurting him. So while you may believe in doing this as a good thing for Taylor, I look at it a different way.

[Artos]

Some people use choke chains. Others think it is cruel and prefer the clicker method.Some dogs will respond to clicker method. Some dogs won't even hear the clicker and will put their lives at stake because of the lack of discipline.

The same goes for styles of discipline we use for daily interaction with our dogs. As long as it doesnt crush one's dog (and one will know one's dog the best) but works for its ultimate well being- theres nothing wrong with it.

To judge others harshly because of one's own unique situation and preferred practice is unfair.

To each his own.

(p.s. My corgis dont wear collars at home. I think it is unnecessary and uncomfortable for them to do so. But I wont impose that belief on everyone)

[Chip's Mom]

I am going to jump in here and add my 2 cents worth.

I do not believe in hitting dogs - However, having said that - I have been having problems with Maybelle and Debbie and the obedience instructor says she is an alpha wannabe. Anyway, she has been bossing Chip around, cutting in when Chip and I are playing or interacting in any way, biting and pulling on him. Gets very annoying and Chip and I had almost stopped playing because Chip would get annoyed at her and start snapping at her. Not a good situation all ways around. Well the other night, I brushed Chip then brushed Maybelle and Little Lady came over to be brushed (which she hasn't done in ages) so I called her on my lap and the minute she got on my lap, Maybelle lunged and snapped at her. I reacted by instinct I guess and cuffed Maybelle smack dab on her nose and sent her to the kitchen. Well now, completely different household, Maybelle has stopped intimidating Chip, waits her turn, is respectful to the other dogs and Chip and I get to play for awhile without Maybelle pulling on Chip, grabbing at the toys, etc. Chip is much happier and Maybelle seems more relaxed. So in this case, I have to say it turned out good. I have also started the "nothing in life is free" program with her. If I had thought about it first, I would never have hit her - but I am glad this situation is on the road to being resolved.

[Dillydoodle]

Bonnie,
Dogs in packs will correct another dogs bad unbalanced behavior with a little bite...so a cuff on the nose is not the worst thing ever...I use the cesar millan claw hand bite on the neck when a behavior is really out of control this is a rare instance...but has happened with a wild neighbors dog. Dillon needed an attention "bite" and it didnt hurt, only let them know that his unbalanced , alpha behavior was not appropriate.
I do think that the severity of the bad behavior should determine what kind of correction is administered. There was one instance where I was eating, Misty was begging for food and Dillon wanted the food (that i was not giving anyone) and he snapped at her. I immediately did a cesar Millan full body roll on him and made him submit to misty the cat. Sounds harsh but to me that was a cardinal sin. NO ONE is allowed to hurt another in my house. NO biting or nipping of people or cats... he has never done it again. so it worked for me. Go ahead michael, have a field day with this one.
Emilie

[milles2]

I'm not sure Tucker has ever got mad at me...or Lulu for that matter.

Tucker is a world class sukler too! I hate to admit it but I don't put my two in crates or safety belts in the car unless we are travelling long distance on highways. Tucker has always had the co pilot seat. Well Lulu is now climbing over from the back seat.

The seat IS big enough for the two to share. Sometimes when she jumps on him he gives a low growl then jumps into the back by himself and sulks. He lies right in the middle where he knows I can see his sour puss in the rearview mirror!

Drama queen!

[Chip's Mom]

Thanks Emilie. The only thing I know is that it worked. My house rules are the same as yours no fighting, biting, etc. Also, Lady is about 14 years old and 14 lbs and she will not back down if confronted so Maybelle could have hurt her very seriously.

[disraeli]

My kids don't sulk...if I am mad at them, they try their best to make me happy again. Sometimes Rhys will even whine and crawl all over me...it's kind of cutely pathetic.

[Dillydoodle]

Bonnie I totally understand, misty is a 16 1/2 yr old diabetic cat that is frail and can't take being jumped on or snapped at. She will back down but she cant go anywhere- she is not a fast runner and can't jump up and away from Dillon anymore...the other cats can run away and up a cat tree or on a table top that Dillon cant reach them- so they are safe, but i need to be strict with Dillon regarding Misty as she can be injured if he were allowed to do whatever he wanted. I am glad you once again have order in your house, i totally understand it.
Emilie

[Michael Romanos]

Building up a Corgis chest through 'gym work' by a continuous hand motion or by pushing at him/her in their chest, is hardly the act of hitting out of varying degrees of anger. Just as massaging - and there are different methods of massaging - is also not the act of anger hitting. Vigorous play fighting with your Corgi is also not taken as anger hitting. Body language of the owner/handler is well identified by dogs. You can very gruffly pick up a Corgi and that is little better than hitting him/her.

[corgimom]

Michael,

When you talked about this "Gym work" earlier, you said in order to help increase the size of their chest one should give reasonably solid slaps to the chest for a good number of times for 1 to 2 minutes; while it may not be done out of anger, it doesn't sound like something Cody would enjoy. And you still never told me where you learned that this is a common gym exercise to do for a dog - or is this something they just do in New Zealand?

[Michael Romanos]

Linda - It is something that I picked up years ago, and combined with my knowledge as a track (sprints and middle distance) coach where chest, shoulder, stomach and leg muscle building are important, added it to my repertoire. It is important in conformation showing for a Corgi to have a nice deep, expanded chest, so handlers will fluff up a Corgi's chest hairs which are usually white, to get that effect if it is not as good as it could be under natural conditions. That is part of a grooming routine. In agility, the more muscular a Corgi is the better, the stronger and the safer.

[MissGambler'sMommy]

Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

Bonnie,
Dogs in packs will correct another dogs bad unbalanced behavior with a little bite...so a cuff on the nose is not the worst thing ever...I use the cesar millan claw hand bite on the neck when a behavior is really out of control this is a rare instance...but has happened with a wild neighbors dog. Dillon needed an attention "bite" and it didnt hurt, only let them know that his unbalanced , alpha behavior was not appropriate.
I do think that the severity of the bad behavior should determine what kind of correction is administered. There was one instance where I was eating, Misty was begging for food and Dillon wanted the food (that i was not giving anyone) and he snapped at her. I immediately did a cesar Millan full body roll on him and made him submit to misty the cat. Sounds harsh but to me that was a cardinal sin. NO ONE is allowed to hurt another in my house. NO biting or nipping of people or cats... he has never done it again. so it worked for me. Go ahead michael, have a field day with this one.
Emilie

The Cesar Millan claw method works beautifully for my husband. Miss Gambler has such respect for him, hangs on his every word, so I guess I am the proof that if you are weak and not the Alpha, they will walk all over you.

[Michael Romanos]

I can offer this Emilie: if I had two dogs or a cat and a dog, I would not allow them to be around the dinner table if they were of a mind to plead (with their eyes only or whatever) for food. It becomes too much of a contest. So there would be no need to dive on anyone. I'm pleased that you didn't swipe at Dillon.

[Chip's Mom]

I think different circumstances go with different dogs. Now my four will all sit around the table while we are eating in hopes of getting a tidbit. However, we have taught them all to wait patiently for their turn and never have had a problem. As you can see from my avatar, they are well behaved at the dinner table.