Guardian?

[darci]

I dont have a problem with the wording either way.
But I do feel that it should be politically correct for all not just americans, it's an international board.

I also would agree that there are different meanings for different words in different countries.

Fag here is an awlful horrible slang, in other countries it means ciggarette.

Pissed here means mad, other countries it means drunk....

Equal rights for everyone.....

[dcole]

Originally Posted by glencorgi

Debi,

<IMHO> IF you should adopt a child, then you should be "parent." Not caregiver or guardian or any other politically correct mumbo jumbo someone decides to come up with. To be anything else leaves legal cracks for you to be able to make the decisions on raising your child in the manner you think best and most responsible. That is my objection to the hijacking of words whether it be guardian for owner or caretaker for parent.

Debbie

Debbie,

Thank you for your clarification. I understand your point and agree with your statement(s) 100%. I am not the most PC person myself, although I try to never purposefully hurt anyone's feelings. I do appreciate when people are honest, though. I would rather hear it to my face than get stabbed in the back. Know thine enemy, and all that.

You may be interested to know that before this thread started, I had no idea about some of the hidden motives within the animal rights movement. Although I still don't completely buy into the Guardian-wording thing - if this thread has proven anything, it's that words have a real impact. You have given me much to think about and research - one of my favorite online activites (I am, after all, an engineer ).

Bonnie:

Wow, so much pain and frustration in one short posting. I'm pretty sure that I've never taken a stance (within this forum) on any of the issues you've listed. However, since you asked for my opinion:

1. Christmas ROCKS. I say Merry Christmas all December long to all my friends - including the Jewish ones (to which they promptly reply Happy Hanukkah! )

< disclaimer to all international members - these next two items are US-based only - sorry>

2.) I think that it's fine to have the Ten Commandments in a public place, so long as no one complains IF anyone wants to place any other religious artifacts - Torah, Koran, copy of the dead sea scrolls, whatever - in that same public space. Religious freedom is for all citizens, not just some.

3.) No one can prevent you from praying in school. That was never taken away from anyone. What was prohibited is school or state-sanctioned prayer. That ruling has stood since 1962, when it was first handed down by the Supreme Court. Personally, I was raised in a typical east-coast Protestant family, where religion was a very private matter. But I totally respect and encourage alternate points of view - so long as I get equal respect in return.

<done with US - only based text.>

OK, I've said my piece. Now, instead of focusing on things that divide us, let's get back to that which unites us all - our furr-kids.

Peace,
-Debi

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I am not an animal rights activist. I would not create a dog forum which encourages corgi ownership if this were so.

Thank you for responding. I didn't think so but well, just had to wonder.

Guardian was chosen because it seemed more universal than owner.

Well, condsidering what it implies would you consider changing the wording or allowing people to choose the word? (And if you already did, ignore this.)

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

Even Corgis are better off with a human mum and dad so that they can relate to both men and women equally well. I know some Corgis who don't like to varying degrees, or cannot get to grips with, male humans or alternatively female humans because of circumstances at home or elsewhere. And this preference has affected some of these Corgis in conformation showing when it comes to judges inspection time - either on a table or when standing on the floor/ground.

[Chip's Mom]

Debi:

I again will say that I am sorry I hurt your feelings - I didn't direct my comments towards you or anyone and I apologize that it was taken in that context. The Bible says Honor your Mother and father so I agreed with Michael with that small piece of scripture in mind not someone's lifestyle. It is so easy to hurt one's feelings without intending too again I am sorry. I hope all is forgiven.

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Even Corgis are better off with a human mum and dad so that they can relate to both men and women equally well. I know some Corgis who don't like to varying degrees, or cannot get to grips with, male humans or alternatively female humans because of circumstances at home or elsewhere. And this preference has affected some of these Corgis in conformation showing when it comes to judges inspection time - either on a table or when standing on the floor/ground.

So it is detrimental to Corgis if they are owned by single people Whew,
thanks for setting that straight, I think I will keep my husband after all

[Dillydoodle]

Linda, there was another post that michael did basically say that it is better for a dog to have TWO "parents" -and that to me is just absurd! I know just as many single people who have dogs who are well socailized, happy, and getting lots of time and love as i do couples or couples with kids... I think i would be offended by his comments here but the lack of clarity in the writing makes me completely confused

Emilie

[Jespah]

Well, I'm a single female dog owner who has well socialized Corgis and neither of them has any issues with men - even though we don't have our own

Rupert loves the men in our building and has a great bond with the superintendent and Jemma greets and gives affection to everyone equally.

So, it still comes down to socialization - getting them out in different situations, places, with different people - I don't think it matters who or how many own them.

[Chip's Mom]

Just think of all the attention our little corgis get in a single parent household.

[corgimom]

Michael can be the official Go Corgi matchmaker for all you single people out there

[darci]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Even Corgis are better off with a human mum and dad so that they can relate to both men and women equally well. I know some Corgis who don't like to varying degrees, or cannot get to grips with, male humans or alternatively female humans because of circumstances at home or elsewhere. And this preference has affected some of these Corgis in conformation showing when it comes to judges inspection time - either on a table or when standing on the floor/ground.

Michael,
I couldnt disagree more.
Thats an offensive statement. It all boils down to socialization.

[Jane Austen]

Duchess was raised in a family with "Mom" and "Dad". Evidently "Dad" was a contentious male who must have been the cause of the anxieties Duchess has with loudish male voices. She gets on well with males in general.
Every man or woman she meets at the dog park is her best buddy, especially if they give back rubs or cookies.
I agree that a single person is a good an owner as a "Mom and Dad". The only real benefit is there is generally someone to look after the pets if one is away, sick or on a trip. If I want to go away for a week and can't take Duchess I know she is getting fed and loved while I am gone.

[dcole]

Bonnie:

We're cool.

Michael... is what he is... whatever that is (shakes her head in mild amusement )

-Debi

[Michael Romanos]

It is amusing the number of women Corgi owners who tend to 'bite' and take things so personally.
I must agree with myself then, that ideally a Corgi raised reasonably evenly among female and male persons where both males and females are fairly evenly handed in their relationship with the Corgi, will actually assist that Corgi to adapt better to strangers be they male or female. Now most Corgis will get along with anyone who is kind and considerate towards them but there are some who have a fearfulness to varying degrees of certain types of people and whether they are male or female and probably the most reflective of this attitude stems from their home life, but not necessarily so. It could be the neighbour next door or the training instructor etc

[Fluffypants]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I must agree with myself then,

OMG that's funny! At least you know you have one person who's always in your corner!!!