Guardian?

[Peggy]

I was looking through things yesterday and in the dog profile secion on Go Corgi I came across this question:
"Any story as to how you became guardian of the dog?"

Why is the term "guardian" used? Is this forum animal rights friendly?

Peggy

[Jane Austen]

If it is the thread I am thinking of, I think the term "guardian" is appropriate. This corgi was passed from person to person and then the first owner wanted rights to breed her?
When I got Duchess free and clear I still insisted/ asked for a statement that she was mine. I thought the breeder must think I am silly but I felt better just having that paper.

I reread the previous post and see that this is not what I was responding to. Sorry

[glencorgi]

I'd like further clarification on this as well.

And Jane you are absolutely correct in wanting that assurance.

Debbie

[Fluffypants]

You're a smart cookie Jane!

The word GUARDIAN makes me want to don those tights and cape again . . .

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Jane Austen

If it is the thread I am thinking of, I think the term "guardian" is appropriate. This corgi was passed from person to person and then the first owner wanted rights to breed her?
When I got Duchess free and clear I still insisted/ asked for a statement that she was mine. I thought the breeder must think I am silly but I felt better just having that paper.

I reread the previous post and see that this is not what I was responding to. Sorry

Nope, I want to know why the term "guardian" is being used in the question I quoted. "Guardian" is an Animal Rights term. And well, AR is not in favor of us owning animals. I refuse to use the term, I am my animals OWNER.

IMO, If this forum is an Animal Rights forum or has those leanings we deserve to know that.

Peggy

[darci]

I havent seen anything on this site to make me think that it has any other motives other than providing a corgi board.

Jmho I dont think that one word should be a cause of concern in this case.

I am in no way trying to make lite of your opinion, just stating mine.

[Bayoucorgi]

Hey I didn't know "guardian" was a AR term! I've been using it for 20 years as someone who cared enough to guard or take diligent care of a breed or an animal. If you ever see me using it, I mean it as a good thing. I think some of the AR stuff is okay, but I eat meat, wear leather shoes, have a leather chair, lovingly 'own' my animals. I fish and herd sheep and ride my horse and work for an employer that does animal research (I don't - I do all human stuff). So, I hope I'm not on an AR site because I'd be banned! Yikes.

[Chip's Mom]

I havent seen anything on this site to make me think that it has any other motives other than providing a corgi board.

Jmho I dont think that one word should be a cause of concern in this case.

I am in no way trying to make lite of your opinion, just stating mine.
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Cindy ( darci's mom )


Ditto - I agree with Cindy

When I hear guardian mentioned - I think guardian angel.

[ZdogZ]

Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

When I hear guardian mentioned - I think guardian angel.

That was my first thought when I read the title of the thread.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Bayoucorgi

Hey I didn't know "guardian" was a AR term! I've been using it for 20 years as someone who cared enough to guard or take diligent care of a breed or an animal. If you ever see me using it, I mean it as a good thing. I think some of the AR stuff is okay, but I eat meat, wear leather shoes, have a leather chair, lovingly 'own' my animals. I fish and herd sheep and ride my horse and work for an employer that does animal research (I don't - I do all human stuff). So, I hope I'm not on an AR site because I'd be banned! Yikes.

There is a difference between Animal Welfare and Animal Rights. What you're thinking is welfare, taking care of animals, helping them.

The animal rights people don't want us to own animals or use them in any way, No pets, no service dogs, no guide dogs, no police dogs, no tracking dogs, no meat, no eggs, no milk, no leather, no zoos, etc.

In the ideal Animal Rights world we would turn our pets loose now. They think we've "enslaved them". (Yeah, and who's serving who around here????)

So, yes, Guardian is an animal rights term. They want us to be guardians and not owners. That way if they (meaning an AR person) disagrees with the way you are caring for your animal, guardianship can be giving to someone else. And your chioces will be gone. So, please think about what you are saying and who you want to support. And be your animals owner.

And yes, I'd like to see the term changed in the profile question. We all need to let the owner know we prefer to be owners and retain our rights to own and make choices for our animals!

Peggy

[Peggy]

You know, I'd really like a response on this. Why is guardian being used in the profile question? Michael do you know? Can it possibly be changed to not reflect Animal Rights wording? I mean we really don't want to support Animal Rights or we won't be owning corgis in a few years down the road.

My concern is that if we start using their terms, then we play into their hands. First the word guardian and then the belief that guardianship is the way to go. Then soon we have no "rights" as owners.

Peggy

[darci]

I am sorry Peggy I mean no disrespect to you, but it's just a word. Again I say I havent seen anything on this site to suggest its anything other than what it is... A fun way for us to meet and discuss this wonderful breed.

Just my two cents.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by darci

I am sorry Peggy I mean no disrespect to you, but it's just a word.

Actually, no it isn't. In reality I don't think whomever comprised the profile question has any agenda or even realizes what the implications of the term are. What it does illustrate beautifully is the success of the animal rights agenda to permeate our thoughts and terminology. We're no longer pet owners, we're pet "parents" according to the PetsMart commercials. From a legal aspect and that is what is important to remember here, guardian holds much different ramifications than does owner. IF we want to continue to be able what we and our veterinarians consider responsible and appropriate decisions about the care and well-being of all our pets; then it is imperative we continue to be their owners and they our property.

Again I say I havent seen anything on this site to suggest its anything other than what it is... A fun way for us to meet and discuss this wonderful breed.

As I said, I think the use of the word guardian was done naively and with the attempt to be politcally correct. HOWEVER, for those of us watching our ability to own pets of our choice be attacked and whittled away at legislatively state by state, locale by locale; the word guardian has very negative implications and ramifications.

Debbie

[Artos]

Actually I prefer the word GUARDIAN to OWNER. I dont see myself as my dog's owner but as my dog's mummy and more importantly, GUARDIAN.

I dont live in the States and I have no contact with the Animal Rights activists you are talking about. I dont even know about the word being associated with them. Why should they or anyone have 'ownership' of a good word? Why should we lose the use of that word?

This forum is an international one. Sounds like the word is a problem for some because of its connotation and association in only one or two places in the world. Should everyone else be deprived of the word use as a result of that?

[Dillydoodle]

I also thought the word Guardian has been around a lot longer than these crazy animal activist groups..."Parent or guardian" was a common term used when i was growing up, and i look at myself as Dillon's parent or guardian - as far as the crazy animal activists , there are groups like this in every facet of our society now, the religious zelots, Radical political groups but i do believe they make up a small segment of our society, and truthfully i ignore them... but that is me..
Emilie