dewclaw

[Emmye]

I was sitting in the living room trying to get 4 dogs (2 of mine Emmye and Kirby and my sister in laws 2 a lab and blue heeler) to stop barking every time the 4 wheeler got close to the house... When I noticed the labs dew claws so it made me look at all of them Emmye does'nt have one the round ball of skin is there but the nail is'nt does that mean she was declawed or did she never have the nail? was just woundering...

Donna B

[nrhareiner]

I can not speek to all Corgi breeders but I know my freind who breeds Corgi and is where I got Libby from has her pup dewclaws removed when the tails are done at 3 days. I would think this is the norm. I know from personal experiance that I prefer them taken off. I know when I get my Goldens hips x-rayed I will have hers removed. I have always had hunting dogs and when they still have them I have had problems with them getting riped off or something happening so I try to get them removed when they are under for something ealse.

Heidi

[Emmye]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

dewclaws removed when the tails are done at 3 days. I would think this is the norm.
Heidi

Now are all pembroke born with out a tails or do some have them or is it just
cardigan that have tails

Donna

[glencorgi]

Could be Emmye just didn't a dewclaw on that leg or more likely they were removed. The majority of Pembrokes are born with tails and docked by either surgical methods or banding within the 3 day time frame Heidi mentioned. Originally, Pembrokes were a naturally bobbed breed, meaning born without tails and thus for the continuation of breed type they are docked. Natural bobbed tails can range from the bunny butts typically thought of up to 3/4 length of tail.

Cardigans are supposed to keep their tails, although some breeders of questionable repute, will dock them to cash in on the Pembroke tail less "cute factor."

Debbie

[Emmye]

That is funny because all the books I have read said they are all tailless... Not saying you do not know what you are talking about...

So that is something else to ask the guy I got her from when he gets back from vacation! He is going to think I am the most annoying person in the world and wish he had never met me... HeHe!!

Donna B

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Emmye

That is funny because all the books I have read said they are all tailless... Not saying you do not know what you are talking about...

Well having whelped a litter of my own, midwifed others, and assisted with several other Pembroke litters, the one thing I haven't seen is a just whelped Pem puppy without a tail. They are all tail less because they are docked because that is what the breed description calls for.

So that is something else to ask the guy I got her from when he gets back from vacation! He is going to think I am the most annoying person in the world and wish he had never met me... HeHe!!

So you finally made direct contact with him? Well, I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath that he's going to know any differently than you do/did let alone have any more breed knowledge, in spite of the fact he wants you to breed her so he can have a puppy out of her to start his breeding venture.

Debbie

PS: Have you read the breed standard yet?

[Emmye]

PS: Have you read the breed standard yet?

In all the books I have looked at they say the difference between a pem and Carg.. or carg are born with tails and pem are not...at least that is what I thought it was saying

[Dillydoodle]

there are so many physical differences between the cardigan and pem, tail is only one of the physical differences. The breed standard can be found on the AKC.org site and you can read what the standard for the pembroke is... PembrokeTails are docked...usually dew claws are removed as well at the same time as the tail docking ( except in the countries that do not allow docking)
Emilie

[mochamix79]

Oooh...good dewclaw post. I had a question about Haf's when we did a toe nail trim last week. I haven't had a chance to post my question until now.

I understand taking the back dewclaws off at a young age, or at the time of spaying/neutering. I've dealt with that for many years when I was in the vet business. However, in our toe nail trimming party the other night (believe me it was a party), I noticed that Haf does NOT have front dewclaws. I can't believe that I never noticed, and the last time her toe nails were trimmed the vet did it, so it never crossed my mind. Would the front dews be something that is cut at well? It's been about 12 years since I was in the vet field, but I'd never seen a front dewclaw removal. Just wondering....thanks all.

[glencorgi]

Dewclaws - may be on all four legs, maybe 3 out of 4 legs, maybe just the back legs, and double dewclaws - YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Typically they are removed in both breeds of corgis within 3 days of birth. Oh, they can grow back if not all is removed.

Donna,
Carg? Not a "nickname" used for Cardigans. CWC, or Cardi (never "ie," plural is Cardis - same for corgi, never corgie or corgies). IF anyone is going to remotely consider breeding, then the first responsible step to take is to a least read the standard for the breed.

Cardigans and Pembrokes are two separate breeds and have two different standards. The differences structurally begin with ear shape and move throughout to tip of a Cardigan's tail and/or a Pembroke's if it is still attached. The tails are not even supposed to be set the same as the rear structure assembly is different for each breed. Temperaments and personalities are also different.

As I do have some of the same books you do and have read them, I believe you may be misinterpreting what you are reading.

Debbie

[Emmye]

[quote=glencorgi;23912]

Donna,
Carg? Not a "nickname" used for Cardigans. CWC, or Cardi (never "ie," plural is Cardis - same for corgi, never corgie or corgies).

I see that now It was totally a mistake I was in a hurry and miss typed it SORRY!

IF anyone is going to remotely consider breeding, then the first responsible step to take is to a least read the standard for the breed.

I just went and read the Standard on the AKC site and I am sorry to have bothered you with this I was going by what a dog encyclopedias said.. it was the first description I read of a PWC and that is what stuck in my head..

The breeder I got her from has other Corgi and has been breeding for a while- I should have never said anything till I new more my self...I was taking the word of someone else who I have found out to be very unreliable

Cardigans and Pembroke's are two separate breeds and have two different standards. The differences structurally begin with ear shape and move throughout to tip of a Cardigan's tail and/or a Pembroke's if it is still attached. The tails are not even supposed to be set the same as the rear structure assembly is different for each breed. Temperaments and personalities are also different.

Yes I know Cardigans and Pembroke's are too different breeds


Donna B