Fluffy Pembrokes

[Clogs]

I'm happy to agree to disagree. And I do realise that buying from a BYB is only encouraging them, but they will always be with us.

But I also feel that giving the resulting pups a good home is better for the pups, than them going to some person who has a momentary brain-fart and goes"Ohhhh, how sweet that puppy is - I have to have it..." and then not wanting or maybe not being able to put in due care, attention and love when the pup grows up.

Just another perspective, really.

And Rosie came from a reliable breeder, too, so I guess I just shot my arguement in to foot.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Clogs

People who are prepared to spend the extra dosh required by going to a good breeder will surely be better candidates for being good dog owners, but they may still end up with an excellent dog for their purpose ie pet, even if the parents aren't
You just need to look at how many mixed breed dogs there are who make excellent pets to realise that parental bloodlines are not necessarily a "must".

The difference is that you don't know what you're getting with a mixed breed dog. If you want a corgi you don't get a mixed breed. You get a purebred corgi.

I agree with Cheetah, if you're going to buy a purebred puppy go to a reputable breeder and get one that has the health testing. One bred not just for looks but proper temperment.

Why make a market for someone who breeds indescriminately? When you buy from these people you just encourage them to breed their dog again. Many of those advertised on the internet are commerical breeders (aka puppy mills.)

Those who advertise on internet sites are not concerned about where their puppy goes just that they get the price they're asking.

IMO, a reputable breeder is a better choice.

Peggy

[Clogs]

Peggy - I posted a reply to Cheetah just before you replied to me - see above your last post - and I guess that reply goes to you too.

I realise that there are issues around the whole argument.

I know that the pups from good breeders will generally go to a good home, but the BYB dogs are at a disadvantage here through no fault of their own and that always saddens me.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Clogs

Peggy - I posted a reply to Cheetah just before you replied to me - see above your last post - and I guess that reply goes to you too.

I realise that there are issues around the whole argument.

I know that the pups from good breeders will generally go to a good home, but the BYB dogs are at a disadvantage here through no fault of their own and that always saddens me.

I did read your post after I posted. I understand your point, but while you're "saving" a puppy, you may be condeming the parents to having more. And you might be getting a puppy with a health problem that could have been prevented by health testing, or more selective breeding.

Peggy

[Chip's Mom]

In my humble opinion as I have stated many a time, there are good breeders that are considered backyard breeders as well as good hobby breeders. There are also bad in both. I think there are good breeders to be found on the internet that do not show there dogs. Many care very much for their animals, take good care of them and are just as careful in placing them in good homes as the hobby breeder. A person just needs to research and make sure they are buying from a quality breeder no matter who they get their pup from. It does sound a bit snobbish to me when someone says that a good breeder has to show their dogs.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

In my humble opinion as I have stated many a time, there are good breeders that are considered backyard breeders as well as good hobby breeders. There are also bad in both. I think there are good breeders to be found on the internet that do not show there dogs. Many care very much for their animals, take good care of them and are just as careful in placing them in good homes as the hobby breeder. A person just needs to research and make sure they are buying from a quality breeder no matter who they get their pup from. It does sound a bit snobbish to me when someone says that a good breeder has to show their dogs.

As I mentioned on another site, if they do health checks, ask the potential buyer questions, stand behind their puppy for life (not just a guarantee that last two weeks or months), trys to match the puppy to the home, knows and understands the standard, attempts to breed to the standard, selects a stud to complement their female (not just because he's theirs, close by or cheap, or the same breed) ect. then IMO, they are not a byb but a hobby breeder and I'd like to know why they don't show thier dogs.

Most byb's don't do these things. Which is why they're called byb's. And most reputable breeders dont' "advertise" classifed ad type sites. Or even at all. A reputable breeder might have a site showing off their dogs but not direct advertising.

Peggy

[Cheetah]

Thanks, I guess I'm a snob now. >-.-;<

Even though it has nothing to do with being snobby, and EVERYTHING to do with me caring about the long-term health, temperament, and welfare of the puppy I'm getting. If being a snob means believing that nobody should EVER breed unless it's to better the breed (which would involve showing or working), due to all the shelters being filled to the brim and millions of pets (purebred and non) being killed every year because people KEEP BREEDING... then I guess I am a snob. >u.u<

[Michael Romanos]

If you want a fluffy Corgi, you might be more compromising on where you buy the pup from.

[Cheetah]

I wasn't. >^_~<

[Peggy]

Some sites to look at about breeders:
Timbreblue Whippets
WHAT IS A BREEDER?
Dog Play: Making a Difference: Being a Responsible Dog Breeder

Peggy

[Chip's Mom]

Cheetah:

I don't think you are a snob. I was just stating my opinion. I agree that a reputatble breeder does everything he or she should for the breed but they don't have to show to be a good breeder. I also think you can find a good puppy on the internet if a person is careful and does their homework. If you do a corgi puppy search, all sorts of websites come up for show breeders, hobby breeders and general breeders. That is all advertising. Sorry for the implication as it wasn't directed at any one person.