About swimming

[Michael Romanos]

Basset Hounds which are most likely to be related to Corgis, cannot swim because their short legs are no match for their long bulky bodies while off their feet in water. They are the only breed of dog in the world which can't swim. That reminds me of the fact that overweight Corgis are not the swimmers they could be - for similar reasons to the Basset.

[love2corgis]

I had a basset hound in the 70s- the naughtiest, sneakiest dog we ever had- in fact after his day it took 20 years before I had another dog- Sooty- he of course is an angel in comparison.

[milles2]

Tucker loves the water but Lulu, as a baby, didn't care much for it.

Over the weekend Lulu discovered that the creek was a pretty cool place to hang out in. It's deep enough for the dogs to stand up to their shoulders in water. Lulu was wet more than she was dry. Last year she would drink from the creek and maybe get her feet wet. But that was it.

I truly hope this carries over when I start haning out down by the lake!

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Basset Hounds which are most likely to be related to Corgis, cannot swim because their short legs are no match for their long bulky bodies while off their feet in water. They are the only breed of dog in the world which can't swim. That reminds me of the fact that overweight Corgis are not the swimmers they could be - for similar reasons to the Basset.

Basset hounds are thought to be related to Cardigans but not to Pembrokes. Pems come from the northern breeds, sptiz types.
A Brief Article on the History and Origin of the Pembroke Welsh Corgi.

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

Ah Peggy, my theories might be a little different to yours. One of them is that both Cardies and Pems are related. I cannot believe that a very small country (Wales) in both size and population (animals including humans), could have two such similar breeds of dog yet are completely unrelated. So I believe that they are. Then their (the Corgis) background is most likely related to the types of hounds that Bassets and/or Dachshunds evolved from. This would have occurred before Pems mixed with Spitz type dogs.

[CeCe]

I don't know about pems, or basset hounds, or spitzes(?), but I guarantee you if Oliver and Skippy ever herd anything into the water they'll be swimming right behind it! These two are the shortest water retrievers I've ever seen. They absolutely love to swim out and retrieve anything thrown, and bring it back either together, or taking turns trying to drown each other to get it!

[Michael Romanos]

Yeah. I've had Corgis who were absolutely water babies and boy, did they just love fetching a floating stick or tree branch from way out in the deep and the flow.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Ah Peggy, my theories might be a little different to yours. One of them is that both Cardies and Pems are related. I cannot believe that a very small country (Wales) in both size and population (animals including humans), could have two such similar breeds of dog yet are completely unrelated. So I believe that they are.

Michael you can belive what you want. The site I mentioned was from someone who has done the research.

It is true that some Pems and Cardis were interbred at one time, and I don't think anyone knows how much. So it is also possible that some Pems were never bred with cardis and don't have any basset or dachshund in their backgrounds. I don't think we can assume all Pems are related to bassets.

Then their (the Corgis) background is most likely related to the types of hounds that Bassets and/or Dachshunds evolved from. This would have occurred before Pems mixed with Spitz type dogs.

Pems came from the Spitz dogs before they were possibly bred to cardigans. Not the other way around. The two breeds were developed independently, Pems from the northern/spitz breeds and Cardis from the Teckel hounds (bassets/dachshunds). It was after this that they were allowed to be interbred.

If they were bred before that then they most likely weren't considered to be breeds and were just your typical farm "mutt".

Peggy

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by taflar

Michael you can belive what you want. The site I mentioned was from someone who has done the research.

I'll take the word of Mrs. Hedgepath, as well as historians such as Lloyd-Thomas, and Hubbard.

Debbie

[Michael Romanos]

Cardis and Pems are kissing cousins as far as I am concerned and I reflect the view of quite a few writers. You know, history is often incorrect with details or is misleading. "Historians" can write fallacious stuff and it gets repeated time after time and through the ages until it is accepted as gospel. It was only recently that it was proven that all dogs are related back to a dog Adam and Eve. Before that "historians" said that dogs evolved from four completely separate groups of animals.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Cardis and Pems are kissing cousins.

It's quite possible that many of them are in no way related. We don't know, and can't say that they have been interbred enough that they are all related.

Read the histories from the people Debbie mentioned. They've all done much research into the origins of the two corgi breeds.

Peggy

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Cardis and Pems are kissing cousins as far as I am concerned and I reflect the view of quite a few writers.

This wouldn't be the first time you've been in error.

You know, history is often incorrect with details or is misleading. "Historians" can write fallacious stuff and it gets repeated time after time and through the ages until it is accepted as gospel.

Now that sounds vaguely familiar and timely.

It was only recently that it was proven that all dogs are related back to a dog Adam and Eve. Before that "historians" said that dogs evolved from four completely separate groups of animals.

Is there a source or link to the article? Sounds like interesting reading.

Debbie

[Michael Romanos]

Debbie - try a search on a leading scientist, Peter Savolainen. He is not the only scientist who has done a comprehensive study of the origins of the domestic dog and come up with a common origin result.