Puppy Mill in VA

[MyPemCharlie]

There is absolutely no comparison between caging hundreds of barking dogs 24 hours a day in a "warehouse" versus a dog owner leaving their dog crated in a quiet room at home while at work and spending lots of quality time with the dog when home.

Cage Rage Defined:
"Cage Rage is often seen in neglect situations, or, more accurately, in puppy mill dogs. After spending months, perhaps years in a cage by yourself, or even with others, these dogs begin to see the cage as their territory, defending it when necessary. Even worse, a caged dog is a trapped and cornered dog. In a confrontational situation, the dog no longer has the "flight" option, and "fight" is all that is left."

The result is mentally unstable dogs. A dog requires a minimum of one hour a day of human interaction...minimum. This guy had 1080 dogs. To provide the miminum interaction/socialization he would have needed 108 employees working 10 hour shifts 7 days a week...not 5 employees. These dogs were mistreated.

[glencorgi]

[quote=MyPemCharlie;34491]Cage Rage Defined:

What is the source of the definition?

Debbie

[MyPemCharlie]

That quote came off the site below, but if you Yahoo! or Google "dog cage rage", three or four sites come up, all with the same description.

Biting the Hands that Feed You

I first heard about cage rage when I volunteered as a dog walker and trainer with a local animal shelter. Shelter dogs often start to suffer cage rage fairly quickly, but once adopted into a real home, their symptoms usually disappear.

[Michael Romanos]

Look here, hands up those who support dog farming on a large scale..

Horse farms I hear. Dogs are on a different level to horses. Try taking a horse to sleep on your bed. I don't hear of horse farms so big. The horse people who delve in equestrian shows and trekking and the like, don't own big numbers of horses. Proper care and attention given a dog is not on any scale that constitutes even 30 dogs. Tp say that Horton was overdoing it - and that is his only 'sin' is understating the facts to a point of making the people implying this looking and sounding ridulous.

Thses dogs were not well cared for or well served. They were largely trapped animals in tiny spaces, unloved and ignored, unbonded, underexercised. Horton was the opposite of a dog breeder practicing excellence. He and his cronies should be made bankrupt so that their ill-gotten gains will come to nothing.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by MyPemCharlie

That quote came off the site below, but if you Yahoo! or Google "dog cage rage", three or four sites come up, all with the same description.

Biting the Hands that Feed You

All went back to that same site, but as long as the source is "credible."

I first heard about cage rage when I volunteered as a dog walker and trainer with a local animal shelter. Shelter dogs often start to suffer cage rage fairly quickly, but once adopted into a real home, their symptoms usually disappear.

Just another description of we've called for more than seven years as shelter shock. So would you say the pyramid of toy dogs on the dolly at the dog show last weekend, barking and lunging at passerbys were exhibiting cage rage?

Debbie

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by MyPemCharlie

There is absolutely no comparison between caging hundreds of barking dogs 24 hours a day in a "warehouse" versus a dog owner leaving their dog crated in a quiet room at home while at work and spending lots of quality time with the dog when home.

Seriously, those who are behind the legislation to limit crate time see no difference.

Debbie

[MyPemCharlie]

Originally Posted by glencorgi

So would you say the pyramid of toy dogs on the dolly at the dog show last weekend, barking and lunging at passerbys were exhibiting cage rage?

Debbie

No, of course not. Totally different situation.

[Michael Romanos]

I believe that leaving a puppy or an adult dog crated all day and one day after another, is wrong and I would never support anyone doing this.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by MyPemCharlie

No, of course not. Totally different situation.

Why not? They were circling, lunging, the cage/crate is their territory, and were defending it. Stuck a finger in there and they would have bitten it. The difference in behaviors is?

Debbie

[Chip's Mom]

Christians need to beware, as well. A letter from a friend told me of a group in his church praying for the healing of pets, even laying on hands. Some Christians, who rightly love their animals, begin to think of them as humans, members of the family.

Debbie - I read your article about Christians and the pig incident in Florida and pasted one particular paragraph into this thread.

first of all I would like to say that pregnant sows deserve to be able to lay down, stand up and be able to move a little. Secondly, there is a confinement box that is built specifically so the piglets are separated from their mother and she doesn't lay on them. That is the purpose of the box but she still can move around in her area and the piglets can nurse.

Now to the paragraph that I inserted from your clip. I really don't know why that article was brought into this thread but I will say that I am a Christian and I attend a Christian Church. I firmly believe in the laying of hands on the sick and prayer for their healing. God is all powerful and with him all things are possible. Animals are God's creatures too. Animals are mentioned throughout the Bible. Remember Noah's Ark? Noah and his family were saved from the great flood and all the animals two by two were saved also. It was the people that sinned and were destroyed. As far as Christians thinking of their pets as members of their family. Mine are members of my family. I wish my church was more animal oriented because it would have meant a great deal to me if they would have prayed over Digger when I found out he had lymphoma. I also requested prayer for him at church each Sunday and I include Chip & Dale's safety in my prayers each day. I am not sure exactly what Heaven will be like but I do know that my lil Digger is there waiting for me. I have faith that he is with God

[glencorgi]

You missed the point of the article Bonnie. I know about sow crates and why do you think they call the rails in a whelping box pig rails? Just never mind. I'll close my part of the discussion with this, insert breed or animal of choice in place of ethnic group, trade group, political affiliation:

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

[MyPemCharlie]

Originally Posted by glencorgi

Why not? They were circling, lunging, the cage/crate is their territory, and were defending it. Stuck a finger in there and they would have bitten it. The difference in behaviors is?

Debbie

Similar behavior...crated dogs that can't choose fight or flight. Take the option for flight away, and they will fight. However the show dogs reaction I would call a short term Anxiety response to being crated in an unfamiliar environment, not cage rage. The show dog won't be caged for days on end. The show dog is also going to be calmed down, taken out to be groomed, given treats, etc by owner/handler.

Cage rage is generally used to describe dog behaviors related to being crated 24 hours a day for days, months, or years. The result is the long term mental damage seen in many puppy mill dogs, or the shorter term abnormal hyperactivity and fear-barking behavior response seen in a lot of shelter dogs.