Help! Sable or red and white?

[missfancypants25]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Instead of not allowing her to 'bite' why not change the exclamation to that of ouch' - but only if she grabs too hard. That way she can happily grab a hand for play or for 'asking' for hand petting/scratching and yet gain an understanding of how far she can go.

Right now my sister is living with us and she doesn't like Waeryn to use her mouth on her at all, but this is just a temporary living arangement. So for the sake of not confusing Waeryn, I think that if we stick to "no bite" at least for now it will work better for our situation. I know that if I try what you suggested my sister will just keep telling her not to bite and I want it to remain consistent for now.

[Michael Romanos]

I understand where you are coming from. Shame, because Waeryn is only a puppy for a very short time in her life and you will realise one day that puppyhood is The Best of times and you might regret in not allowing her to be a full puppy. But some of Go Corgi members will disagree with me. I encouraged Taylor to grab as a puppy and it was fun. He did it less and less as he grew older and now I don't think he does it in preferring other actions to achieve the same results.

[fogebotom]

I thought this thread was about color?

Many have commented on the mouthing issue. Sorry, but no dog should be allowed to bite or mouth a hand or what ever of a human. Using their mouth when working-herding, hunting, or even the service dogs with retrieving is acceptable to me. Using their mouth only confuses the dog as to it's roll in the human household. Especially if the dog is allowed around small children who don't understand the dog. As I stated before, the levels at which a dog shows it's displeasure in something is all confused when it is allowed to skip the warning stare, the low growl, the bark, then the bite. A dog will go straight from the warning stare to a full fledge bite and a nasty one at that. All because they think a nip or mouthing action is acceptable and you aren't showing respect for their body language.

[missfancypants25]

Does it matter if the color on the AKC papers ends up being different than the color she turns out to be as an adult? If it does end up being different is there something I'm supposed to do to change it? Because I just got her registration application in the mail from the breeder and she put her down as fawn and white. Is there enough difference between fawn and red for it to matter? To me, it doesn't seem like she will end up fawn. Her body is kind of light-colored, but her head is a beautiful darkish red/brown. Is the fur on her coat likely to darken to match her head or is her head likely to lighten to match her body?

[fogebotom]

No, lots of pems are listed as fawn or sable or red only to be the opposite. Because the breed does not seperate the classes at the show by color, it won't matter. Such as collies-in a large show there will be seperate open classes for blue merles, sables, tricolors and whites.

I would just leave the color as is and not worry about it. There are more things to worry about then being exact on color.

[MyPemCharlie]

Originally Posted by missfancypants25

Does it matter if the color on the AKC papers ends up being different than the color she turns out to be as an adult? If it does end up being different is there something I'm supposed to do to change it? Because I just got her registration application in the mail from the breeder and she put her down as fawn and white. Is there enough difference between fawn and red for it to matter? To me, it doesn't seem like she will end up fawn. Her body is kind of light-colored, but her head is a beautiful darkish red/brown. Is the fur on her coat likely to darken to match her head or is her head likely to lighten to match her body?

Cindy knows more than I do on the importance of the "papers" being mismatched to her adult color. I'd trust her advice and not worry about the papers being wrong.

Because Waeryn and Charlie had similar puppy coats, I can only say what happened with Charlie. First the black tips on his body went away and he looked a bit like a fawn color (just a very light beigy-red). When his adult coat started coming in along his back, it was (is) a deep rich red. I also wonder if the sable tips still on his face and tail will grow off, or if he'll keep them. I guess only time will tell.

[Michael Romanos]

Thus reminds me of the very recent case where a breeder of chocolate coloured Labradors is trying to register a litter of silver coloured Lab pups as chocolate.
Obviously, the pups are not pure bred. But the breeder would rather refuse to recognise this fact.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by missfancypants25

Does it matter if the color on the AKC papers ends up being different than the color she turns out to be as an adult? If it does end up being different is there something I'm supposed to do to change it? Because I just got her registration application in the mail from the breeder and she put her down as fawn and white. Is there enough difference between fawn and red for it to matter? To me, it doesn't seem like she will end up fawn. Her body is kind of light-colored, but her head is a beautiful darkish red/brown. Is the fur on her coat likely to darken to match her head or is her head likely to lighten to match her body?

It doesn't make that much difference. I'd just use red and white.

If she's about 4 mos. old the color on her head and around her eyes will give you an idea of what her adult color will be. It changes there first and spreads down the back and out from there.

And as far as I know, once registered the AKC won't let you change it.
Peggy

[fogebotom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Thus reminds me of the very recent case where a breeder of chocolate coloured Labradors is trying to register a litter of silver coloured Lab pups as chocolate.
Obviously, the pups are not pure bred. But the breeder would rather refuse to recognise this fact.

Ah yes the infamous silver labs. Actually they more then likely are purebred but due to the way lab breeders have been breeding over here with yellow to yellow and getting lighter and lighter, it's become a fad to have the "silver" labs. Not sure what the genetics behind it is but it does have something to do with the chocolate and yellow gene.

Ugly is all I can say, happily patting my nice old black lab on the head.

[missfancypants25]

Originally Posted by Peggy

It doesn't make that much difference. I'd just use red and white.

If she's about 4 mos. old the color on her head and around her eyes will give you an idea of what her adult color will be. It changes there first and spreads down the back and out from there.

And as far as I know, once registered the AKC won't let you change it.
Peggy

Well, she's only 2.5 months old, so I dont know if either color is going to stay the same. I didn't think it mattered if she ended up a little different than the papers say she is, but I just wanted to double check in case there was something I am supposed to do in a situation like that. That's the only reason it would matter to me. As for those silver labs...I looked up some pictures of them and they are strange looking. I prefer the black, chocolate and yellow colors.

[missfancypants25]

Update on her coloring...just for fun.

[Michael Romanos]

A very, very lovely red and white Pem. And there is the added interest at present of the sableness along part of the top of her back. You must be very proud of her.