Is this much white good/rare?

[Corgi_Lover]

I have heard that haveing this much white on a tri is a good thing, that not many tris have it. Is this true or was i just misinformed? Also just a random question do all corgis or atleast pembrokes have that trademark whitle going up the back of thier neck?

[fogebotom]

My understanding is that pems can not have white above the point of elbow on their legs or on their bodies, except for a white collar or white blaze.

From the PWC Standard:

Color-The outer coat is to be of self colors in red, sable, fawn, black and tan with or without white markings. White is acceptable on legs, chest, neck (either in part or as a collar). muzzle, underparts and as a narrow blaze on head. Very Serious Faults: Whitelies-Body color white, with red or dark markings. Bluies-Colored portions of the coat have a distinct bluish or smoky cast. This coloring is associated with extremely light or blue eyes, liver or gray eye rims, nose and lip pigment. Mismarks -Self colors with any area of white on the back between withers and tail, on sides between elbows and back of hindquarters, or on ears. Black with white markings and no tan present.

PWCCA Here's another link that has a great set of pictures for examples.

Cardigans are different and can have white in those areas, but not pembrokes.

If it's preferred, I can't say. As per another discussion about Cardigans and mismarks, the more white you have, the higher chance of breeding mismarks which of course per the standard is an disqualifying fault and for the most part not a practice which a responsible breeder would breed for purposely.

[fogebotom]

http://foggybottomusa.com/website1_014.htm

Take a look at this girl. I was questioned by several judges who measured her white splash on her belly that extended to her side. It was just acceptable but I decided later on that it was too much white and opted to place her rather then breed her.

[Corgi_Lover]

here are a few side pics





o and he has a full color, it doesnt disconect it just looks that way

[fogebotom]

Not worried about the collar at all and most aren't concerned with the collar-1/2, or whole. It might be a little iffy on the right side again as it appears in the photo to go past the point of shoulder. What you need to look is the legs and amount of white visable - see the PWCCA link I posted earlier. They drew lines on a dog and showed where the white is acceptable and where it isn't. The white on the front legs extends up past the point of the elbow, the white splash in the belly is iffy but the left side photo shows the white on the stifle and that's too much also. If you can see it go all the way up the stifle, it's too much white and disqualification per the standard.

Now if he were a cardigan-perfectly acceptable :0) Got some glue to add a tail? heehee

[LaRogue]

I don't know, but am interested in hearing the answer. I'd also like to ask about the head blaze. Is that for the entire head or the front? Just curious. Pip has a blotch of white on the back of his head, similar (but bigger) than the one in Corgi_Lover's second picture.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Corgi_Lover

I have heard that haveing this much white on a tri is a good thing, that not many tris have it. Is this true or was i just misinformed? Also just a random question do all corgis or atleast pembrokes have that trademark whitle going up the back of thier neck?

It's not rare at all. From these photos and the others you've posted in this thread, the white on her head, neck and front are fine. The white on the belly that goes up onto her side is very iffy. I'd rather it didn't. And the white goes too far up on her stifle (knee).

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by LaRogue

I don't know, but am interested in hearing the answer. I'd also like to ask about the head blaze. Is that for the entire head or the front? Just curious. Pip has a blotch of white on the back of his head, similar (but bigger) than the one in Corgi_Lover's second picture.

The head blaze is fine. What do you mean by the entire head or just the front. A blaze can go over the top of the head and the dog still showable. We'd just prefer it didn't. Nothing in the standard about that though.

The "blotch" on the back of his head, is it more on his neck or on his head? Either way it's fine.

Peggy

[Corgi_Lover]

how about abby? how does she look?









It looks like the collar goes behind the withers but it really doesnt

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Corgi_Lover

how about abby? how does she look?









It looks like the collar goes behind the withers but it really doesnt

She also has a bit of white that goes further up her side than it should.

May I ask why you're concerned about how much white they have? Are you thinking about showing? If so there are more things to be concerned about than the white on them.

Peggy

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Corgi_Lover

I have heard that haveing this much white on a tri is a good thing, that not many tris have it. Is this true or was i just misinformed?

I don't know about being intentionally misinformed, but there are many tris out with that much white, some of them with the white correctly placed and doing quite well in the show ring. As for it being a "good" thing, whoever told you it was, that might be their personal preference - they like a lot of white and so believe it to be a good thing.

Also just a random question do all corgis or atleast pembrokes have that trademark whitle going up the back of thier neck?

No, not all of them do.

As for LaRogue 's question:
" I'd also like to ask about the head blaze. Is that for the entire head or the front? Just curious. Pip has a blotch of white on the back of his head, similar (but bigger) than the one in Corgi_Lover's second picture."

A blaze is wider in a puppy and closes in as the dog grows up, which you've probably seen already. It can go all the way up between the eyes, over the head and into the collar. More likely to see this in Cardigans than in Pems, but can happen - just saw it on the head of a little foster Pem girl on her way to tend to business. Usually the blaze goes up between the eyes and stops on top of the head. One can go up and over the head and surround a fairy kiss (a spot of coat color in the middle of the white on top of the head), color usually closes in around these though. There can be a lot of variations on the theme.

Debbie

[glencorgi]

Just out of curiosity, why all the focus on their markings? From a conformation stand point, there are a lot more issues to look at than just whether their white is in the right place or not.

Very cute puppies, alter them and enjoy them.

Debbie

[Corgi_Lover]

no i wont show them, i was just curius. i know they arent show quality. in fact i cant do anything with abby because her parents werent akc registered so she cant be registered!!!! rggg that makes me sooo mad....y couldnt the freekin breeder register her parents!!!! But i am woundering about there confo, even though i am not going to show them, peggy, i would still like them to be critequed.

[Corgi_Lover]

o and to answer you debbie. i was just curious. i wasnt going to breed them or show them but i was just woundering because i didnt think this much white was rare but my "friend" said it was so i was just woundering.

[glencorgi]

You can do other things with them besides show in conformation. You can get what is called an ILP, well actually now it is PALS or something like that. Then you can do rally, obedience, agility and such with them.

Debbie