Pedigree Help

[Katie Finlay]

I've only recently become interested in pedigrees. I know nothing at all about show lines (I know more about working GSD and Belgian Malinois lines than I do my own dog!) and would like some input on my pup's family tree.

Any advice on where to start researching these lines would be great. And if you happen to know anything about them, please share!

Conan's sire:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/angusped.jpg

Conan's dam:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/fannyped.jpg

Thanks!!!

[~WelshStump~]

Try these:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs...rgi/index.html

I really like this one, but its not really updated:
http://www.jones-rees.co.uk/Images_2...ee_search.html

[Katie Finlay]

Thanks! I found his maternal grandfather's pedigree, with some pictures. So awesome!

[~WelshStump~]

Your welcome, I love searching over those sites. Just wish I could find more on my guy, but all I know is his 2 parents . I also know that his sire owner has "HoneyFox" in her lines, but thats it (I think she said it was "Honeyfox's Yogi bear"?)

[Katie Finlay]

I can find a good amount of dogs in his ped, but I wish I knew more about them and their lines. It's fun looking them up though! Looks like Conan has a lot of Shaferhaus dogs in his ped.

[LaRogue]

You can order a 4 generation pedigrere from the AKC. It costs around $30-$40 and has a bunch of info on the dogs including: titles, color, date of first breeding, OFA testing info, and DNA numbers. I think breeders include these last two on a voluntarily basis, but am not sure.

[Katie Finlay]

That's awesome!! Thanks! I'll definitely be doing that

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Katie Finlay

Any advice on where to start researching these lines would be great. And if you happen to know anything about them, please share!

What do you want to know about them? Do you want pictures or info on the dogs themselves or on the kennels they come from. Many of the kennel prefixes are familiar to me and some of the dogs in the pedigree are familiar to me but not the sire or dam of your dog.

Peggy

[Katie Finlay]

Mostly just info on titles. Pictures would be awesome, but not necessary. I'm fairly familiar with the Schaeferhaus lines but other than that I don't know much about the other dogs. I've looked up a few kennels but can't find them online. I can't find Schaeferhaus online, but I know the kennel was founded by Chuck Kruger, and they are good performance lines in Pembrokes. But even that's just from talking to people. I don't know much else.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Katie Finlay

Mostly just info on titles. Pictures would be awesome, but not necessary. I'm fairly familiar with the Schaeferhaus lines but other than that I don't know much about the other dogs. I've looked up a few kennels but can't find them online. I can't find Schaeferhaus online, but I know the kennel was founded by Chuck Kruger, and they are good performance lines in Pembrokes. But even that's just from talking to people. I don't know much else.

Titles, Ch. means Champion. Normally AKC Champion.

Am/Mex/Int Ch. means the dog is an American AKC Champion, Mexican Ch. and has an International Ch. also.

I don't see any performance titles on the dogs in the pedigrees. The dam's pedigree the print is too small to read well.

Schaferhaus was founded by Dr. Charles (Chuck) Kruger. He's passed on so you won't be finding it on line. I don't think he had a partner that will be carrying on the Schaferhaus kennel prefix. Dr. Kruger concentrated on the structure and movement of his dogs and not on elegance. They were often larger than the average corgi.

Siskiyou's is in WA and breeds mostly from Schaferhaus lines.

Gaylord is a long time corgi kennel. They have a website index

Larchmont was owned by Pat Jensen. She's passed on too. Much of her foundation was Larklain lines. She also used Nebriowa and Schaferhaus. She had very nice dogs. I don't think her daughter is breeding corgis so that is another prefix that will not be used any more.

Greenwoods is in CA. I don't think they have a website. They interbreed with other CA breeders and have imported some dogs from Aust. and New Zealand

Nebriowa is one of the top corgi kennels/breeders. Owned by Tim Mathisen. Nebriowa Front and Center is one of the all time top stud dogs with I think about 60 Chs. (and the sire of my Lacy who recently passed away.) Tim does not have a web site but he is still breeding and showing corgis. He has bred other lines into his depending on his needs at the time.

Pinemeade is also in CA. Again a long time well known corgi breeder. Pinemeade Pembroke Welsh Corgis

Vangard is owned by Robert Simpson, again one of the top kennels/breeders in the US. He is in WA and is still breeding and showing corgis. He's got some NZ imports in his lines as well as some English dogs.

Vennwoods is an English kennel. Ch. Magnum of Vennwoods was imported to the US by Elaine Erganbright of Larklain kennels. She showed and finished his Ch. in the US and Magnum is one of the top sires also.

Squaw Creek is not familar to me but by looking up the web site, they breed many different breeds and since there are no Ch. titles in front of any of the dogs names, they obviously don't show. IMO, a commercial breeder.

I hope that's what you were looking for. If you want pictures of some of the more famous corgis go to Corgis of the Past

Peggy

[Dillydoodle]

Peggy, thanks for all that info! great site link , tons of photos of some great dogs over the years... i have seen a few in Dillon and Gus's lines. Pretty cool.

Emilie

[Katie Finlay]

Peggy, that's EXACTLY what I was looking for!! Thank you so much! I don't think I could have gotten any more information than you just gave, haha.

I got Conan from Kim Beachler at Poso Creek Puppies. I looked at what I think is Squaw Creek's website. It's actually pretty embarrassing to have on the pedigree. Looks more like a BYB broker. I'm wondering how that ended up in the ped. i.e. Why would Nebriowa breed to Squaw Creeks? Do you think maybe there's a different Squaw Creeks?

Oh well. I didn't really pay attention to lines when I bought Conan, I just looked for who I thought was a reputable breeder. I still definitely feel that Kim Beachler is (I've talked to a lot of owners of her dogs) and really must have lucked out with Conan. If I can get my handling down, he should have herding titles pretty easily.

Thanks again Peggy!!

[Katie Finlay]

Also, since his dam's ped didn't scan well (and it wasn't my scanner so I can't just scan a copy whenever haha) here is his grandfather's pedigree. I know it's only half. But at least it's part of it.

Looks like decent dogs to me.

Pedigree: Champion Storm Rain JP Ahab

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

Peggy, thanks for all that info! great site link , tons of photos of some great dogs over the years... i have seen a few in Dillon and Gus's lines. Pretty cool.

Emilie

I think it's a good site too. It's nice to see the dogs in your dogs pedigrees I think.

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Katie Finlay

Peggy, that's EXACTLY what I was looking for!! Thank you so much! I don't think I could have gotten any more information than you just gave, haha.

Glad to help out.

I got Conan from Kim Beachler at Poso Creek Puppies. I looked at what I think is Squaw Creek's website. It's actually pretty embarrassing to have on the pedigree. Looks more like a BYB broker.

I wouldn't call them a BYB, a BYB usually only has a few dogs of the same breed. And breeds for a little extra money. Someone who breeds their pet corgi to make a few extra bucks. This site looks like a commercial breeder. They breed several breeds, most likely a for profit orginization. Not pets, but a breeding kennel where puppies are the income producing item.

I'm wondering how that ended up in the ped. i.e. Why would Nebriowa breed to Squaw Creeks? Do you think maybe there's a different Squaw Creeks?

Chances are that the Nebriowa dog (the male) was sold by Tim to someone else. And that someone wasn't as choosy about who they allowed to be bred to their male. Or maybe they thought the female was worth breeding. I can't say since I don't know who owns the male. I'm pretty sure he's not Tim's.

Ok, a google search shows that the dog was sold to someone in Squaw Valley, CA. Nebriowa Kennels/Tim M. had no say in how or to whom the dog was bred. He no longer had control of the dog.

Oh well. I didn't really pay attention to lines when I bought Conan, I just looked for who I thought was a reputable breeder. I still definitely feel that Kim Beachler is (I've talked to a lot of owners of her dogs) and really must have lucked out with Conan. If I can get my handling down, he should have herding titles pretty easily.

Other than the Squaw Creek dogs there are a lot of nice dogs in the pedigree. I looked at the Poso Creek site and well, she does show her dogs, Int. and UKC, I can't see where she's showing in AKC though and no mention of any health testing. (Such as OFA and CERF/AVCO clear eyes.)

She does have some nice looking dogs. Good luck with his herding titles. You might want to try things like rally too. It's quite fun.

Peggy