Question for Members about biting.

[corgimom]

I agree with you Barbara,

Adult dogs play biting is not cute and not welcome, nor is biting on clothes.

linda

[Robby1974]

Hey all:

Just wanted to say thanks for all your thoughts on this issue. Rhys is doing remarkably better on this and now is realizing that biting or "mouthing" is unacceptable. We are continuing to take him out to public places to meet people, we have realized that he knows not to bite us but on walks or outings he reassumes the behavior with new people. He is also progressing well with that. Thanks again!

[Corgis'R4me]

Originally Posted by corgimom

Cody does love everyone he meets, but he hasn't gotten to the point yet where he can resist jumping up at little kids faces to kiss them - we are making some improvments in the area. He does, however, after his initial welcome lay down next to me if I am having a conversation with a neighbor, so he isn't trying to pull me in other directions while I am talking. He just has all this initial excitement when he has "visitors", but within maybe 3 minutes, he settles down, which is a good thing.

We have plenty of teen boys coming in an out on a regular basis, so I have to remind them to not let Cody jump up on them as this only confuses him that sometimes he is allowed to do it and others times, not.

linda

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*~* My son, Kyle, will be 13 years old on August 18th. I..."allow" his neighborhood friends to come over and play our X~BOX 360. I have trained all of the boys to put their hands fingers down and say, "NO...down !" to both Midnight & Sunshine IF they jump up on the boys. It is true...we have to also train are visitors to teach our puppies (or dogs) good & acceptable behavior.


My daughter, Sara, is 11 years old and she plays with all different age groups in our neighborhood. She helps our neighbor out who has a 4 year old. Alexis is an only child and her mother needs a BREAK from time to time...she pays Sara to "help out" and play with Alexis. I told Sara not to accept any money for PLAYING with a friend. So, Sara has swept her floor & un~loaded her dishwasher to make some money.
** Sunshine seems to really LIKE Alexis !! I am having a hard time with Sunshine jumping up on Alexis. I told Alexis that my puppies are NOT ALLOWED to jump up on anyone. I showed Alexis what to say & do to try and get her to stop jumping. Sometimes, I have to run over to Sunshine and make her sit down and then say to her, "NO !! That is a NO...NO jumping !!" I physically put Sunshine in a sit position and then say, "Sit..Sunshine ! Good girl...SIT ". Midnight doesn't really jump up on people. BUt, Midnight DOES play bite...nibble...sometimes where as Sunshine doesn't.

Usually, I am right there when the door is answered...I say in a soft voice, "No jumping...this way...". It is usually when kids RUN AROUND THE HOUSE..that Midnight & Sunshine jump on them.

*~* Nikki

[corgimom]

my puppy instructor was telling me last night that when I or anyone else is
sitting, and Cody jumps on us, we should lean our shoulder into him which will make him get down. She also said if we are standing and he jumps on people, they should slide their knee into him gently(not jerk it) which will force him down. The word I was taught was "off" which means front paws off of whatever they are on, however, She said that no word is needed, just the methods up above, but once again, this is one trainers way of teaching things.

I must say that my instructors never use the word no(well, one did, but she said it was for utmost emergencies) - otherwise, it is just not in their vocabulary. They say the word no is way overused for everything we want our dogs to stop doing and therefore they give each command a specific word without the word no attached to it. - again, everyone has a different opinion.

I do encourage him to sit when my sons friends come over and certain friends seem to excite him more than others. He is getting better, but everyone has to be on the same "page" with teaching him the same way. He will get better as he matures, I am certain about that and my instructor says he is too young to expect him to be doing everything right.

linda

[Lady's Daddy]

My pem, Lady, has always been a biter. Never in a mean way or in a hard biting way, but I think that Corgi's instinctively bite because of their small stature. That is just a theory of mine and is probably wrong. One time she did get real snippy when she had a particular bone, so I smacked her nose and put her in her crate for 10 minutes without the bone. I continued to talk to her about what she did and the most amazing thing happened when I let her out and gave her back her bone. I then laid on the floor on my stomach. She grabbed the bone in her mouth and brought it to me, as if to say that she was sorry. She then let me touch it while it was in her mouth. She has never done that again. Corgi's are incredibly intelligent and quite sassy, so it is important to teach your corgi how to react to certain situations right away so you can head off any potential problems that may arise.

[Lady's Daddy]

I also don't personally believe in making dogs stay off of people, but in certain situations, I can see how it would help. To me animals are more important than people, but that is a topic for another time. I know I can be strange to some people about my views and I realize that I am a different kind of "animal". Just bear with me.

[Michael Romanos]

When you say animals are more important than humans, you might be thinking about FROGS.

It is frogs that determine the health of the planet Earth. If frogs are dying through environmental reasons, it means the Earth is not as healthy as it should be for us humans and the rest of the animals. So where frogs are lying dead and dying - that is a barometer for mankind and a sign that humans have to put in counter measures to restore the environment and the rest of the frog population. I am afraid many species of frogs have disappeared from the face of the earth and many are becoming rare species. Time for us humans to pull finger or we will destroy ourseleves and there will be no Corgis to love in the future.
God put us humans in charge of the world - and the universe - to look after it, mother it and preserve it for subsequent generations until God determines the end of the world. So in that respect humans hold the greatest amount of importance on earth.

Anyway, I still maintain that once you give a dog a bone or something else to take away and treasure and chew upon, you should't attempt - unless it is an emergency - to remove the food object. A dog naturally guards it's food possessions and I respect that.

[corgimom]

My point was not to make dogs stay off of people, but when a dog jumps up at an unsuspecting visiting toddler, and goes for the face, even if it is a lick, it usually is not welcome thing by the child when they start to cry. We have many, little children in this neighborhood that love to visit Cody, so in my view, I do not want him jumping up at them because many of these kids are not much taller than Cody when he is on his back legs; Cody is taught not to jump - the kids may sit on the ground and he can crawl in their laps, as long as they are okay with that. They can pet him all they want, as long as he is on all fours, sitting of lying down.

We have to remember, that sometimes we see our dogs quite differently than others and jumping or "nibbling" dogs may be very unwelcome by others and there is nothing better than a well behaved dog that can be enjoyed by everyone.

As for being able to take away their bones, etc. I do believe that a dog should be taught that it is "okay" for us to remove their bones and food because once again, we may be put in the position where we have company around etc, with small "forgetful" children who attempt to go near the food, etc and the dog, in my opinion, should not be growling or snarling at anyone in regards to their food. In fact, that is one of the tests performed by our Humane Society and probably many others, that when the dog is eating, an artificial hand is put near their face to see how they react and whether or not they are food aggressive. Our Humane society will not adopt out Food Aggressive dogs to families with small children.

I do not think that a dog who snarls or growls at an owner who comes near their food or tries to take their food away is a good thing; and only gives the dog the message that "they are in charge"

linda

[Corgis'R4me]

Originally Posted by corgimom

my puppy instructor was telling me last night that when I or anyone else is
sitting, and Cody jumps on us, we should lean our shoulder into him which will make him get down. She also said if we are standing and he jumps on people, they should slide their knee into him gently(not jerk it) which will force him down. The word I was taught was "off" which means front paws off of whatever they are on, however, She said that no word is needed, just the methods up above, but once again, this is one trainers way of teaching things.

I must say that my instructors never use the word no(well, one did, but she said it was for utmost emergencies) - otherwise, it is just not in their vocabulary. They say the word no is way overused for everything we want our dogs to stop doing and therefore they give each command a specific word without the word no attached to it. - again, everyone has a different opinion.

I do encourage him to sit when my sons friends come over and certain friends seem to excite him more than others. He is getting better, but everyone has to be on the same "page" with teaching him the same way. He will get better as he matures, I am certain about that and my instructor says he is too young to expect him to be doing everything right.

linda

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*~* Re~direction....just like with CHILDREN...we should re~direct our puppies & dogs.

GREAT POINT !!

I might be saying, "NO" too much.

I ususlly say, "NO...jumping" but maybe as soon as the doorbell rings I should make Sunshine move away from the door. I could say, "Sunshine...come.", "Sunshine...this way". Midnight & Sunshine know this command, "Come...THIS WAY". Whenever I am walking Midnight & Sunshine and they veer toward something that I do not want them near (like a neighbor's FRONT lawn..etc..) I simply say, "Midnight..Sunshine...THIS WAY" and I will turn my body in the opposite direction. IT WORKS !!

I think....I might be saying, "NO" too much !

I need to re~direct when Sunshine jumps & when Midnight play bites (nibbles).
I ususlly put my hand over Midnight's mouth (softly...of course) and I say,
"NO....NO bite !"
I ususally do the same thing for Sunshine when she jump up on Alexis.
I say, "NO...No jump!"

I am going to try and just re~direct Sunshine and say, "Sunshine...SIT" when I want her to stop JUMPING.

** Linda, what do you think I should do and say to Midnight...when she nibbles at us ? She usually ONLY does this when we are playing fetch with her ball OR when the kids are running in the house or outside.
( YES...I let my children run in my house...they like to play, "Hide & Seek" alot !!)

Linda, thank for your opinion...& advice !

*~* Nikki

[Corgis'R4me]

*~* I was thinking about getting a baby gate to go in front of my FRONT DOOR. I have enough space where we can step over the gate and still have enough room to swing the front door completely open. I am tired of having to answer my door on my knees !! Midnight & Sunshine come running to the front door almost everytime it rings.
* Sunshine ran outta the house ONCE when my daughter answered the door and left the door wide open. Thank goodness...the UPS guy ran after her and brought her back to us !! Thank you UPS guy !! Thank you !!

I was wondering if anyone has a gate in front of their FRONT DOOR ?

** My neighbor next door has a baby gate in front of her front door. Her gate swings open.

*** My neighbor accross the street has 2 Yorkies...they both have ran outta the house when the door was left open too long !!


*~* Nikki

[CorgiMum]

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[corgimom]

Nikki,

Corgis seem to get a bit excited when playing. I know with Cody, he sometimes gives "love bites" as we call them - "nibbles" as you call them - I still say OUCH when he does this for I do not want him doing this to me or small children. I have come in contact with other dogs that give "love bites" also. My sister in laws dog gives "nibbles" and the neighborhood kids always tell her that they were bitten - so as we see, children see this differently.

As for the door issue, which we also have - door bell rings and Cody barks and
sprints for the door so it makes it hard to open. My instructor suggested this, but she said "IT WILL TAKE WORK AND REPETITION- She said to place a mat or cat bed or some comfy thing in the family room, but far enough away from the front door and every day, I should practice with Cody and tell him to "go to his mat" and get him to stay there for small increments each time, building up to two minutes on his mat.

Then, once he complies with that, I should get someone in my family or neighbor friend to help practice with ringing the doorbell, and as Cody attempts to "greet the visitors", I should direct him to "go to his mat" and STAY - this being his special place to wait until visitors come in. She did ask me "how much are you willing to work on this?" which I said "a lot" - she did say it will take time and to not expect miracles at his young age of 9 months.

I am going to try her suggestion and see how it goes. Thought I would pass this on. I am willing to try any suggestion that seems like it will work.

Linda

[CorgiMum]

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[Corgis'R4me]

Originally Posted by CorgiMum

Yes, I have a baby gate inside my front door, (and an extra one too, love baby gates) plus we put in a railing and gate at the ooutside entrance as well.

I did not teach door manners to either Monty and Dylan as pups, and I sure wish I had. I do work on it now. Neither dog bolts, but the gates are their for their safety.

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*~* I...LOVE.. the metal gate on the outside of your home !
I want one !!

AWESOME idea !!

** It would be great for Daycare Providers...as well. **


*~* Nikki

[CorgiMum]

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