Corgi Trivia - Best in Show

[glencorgi]

A bit of clarification might be in order. Sweetlychee was reference the show record of Pembrokes at the Westminister Kennel Club's show only and a Pembroke has never gone Best In Show there. Cardigans have never had any acknowledgment at Westminister. However both breeds do have all-breed show Best in Shows to their credit. Ch Hum'bird Keepn Up'Pearances holds the record for Pembrokes with 71 all-breed Best in Show wins. Ch Kingsbury Carbon Copy holds the record for Cardigans with 26 Best in Show wins I believe.

Debbie

[sweetlychee]

Such a long debate on Best in Show and preference on a smart dog or a dumb dog. There's no right or wrong. Everything is subjective. I prefer a smart dog. I have seen some dumb dogs and I rather not. I prefer Pems over Cardigans but it doesn't mean Pems are better. This is my personal preference. And I'm glad if a corgi ever won not because it might damage the breed and how everyone wants one.

There are a lot of people who only knows about retrievers, pugs, and poodles. Some have never seen or heard a corgi. It would be great if people see a corgi and learned more about it and have awareness on it. It's not as popular as poodles and pugs bu tit deserves some light to shine on sometimes.

As for a smart dog or dumb dog, either way, a dog could be trained - old or young. In my eyes as I am bias, my dog is the best. As long as he is healthy, I couldn't ask for anything better. I am very content with my dog and I wish he could live 80 years! The whole point of the post is to have recognition for such a wonderful breed.

I am not trained by my dog. I need to clarify that because it puts down my intelligence as a higher being. I take care of my dog, my dog doesn't take care of me. If I'm sick or need medicine, the one who would take care of me is my fiance. I treat Milo like a family because he's involved in virtually everything and we all share the love and fondness for him. To me, family is someone you trust, love, and care for.

Michael R - Thanks for pointing out some of the great things corgis have won or recognized for.

[corgimom]

Sweetlychee

I don't think anyone here wanted to put down your intelligence by saying that your dog had trained you. This was in your regards to your thread about your dog wanting to eat human food and not wanting to eat his own due to the fact that your family/grandparents were offering him the people food. Therefore, he became accustomed to having this food and "was holding out with eating his own food" because he knew that maybe someone would give in to those "eyes" of his and give him what he really wanted - smart dog.

What was meant is that Corgis can be great at "manipulating" us into getting what they want and maybe lots of us have been outwitted by them at one time or another, and sometimes we all may have to realize that we may be the ones, at times, allowing this to happen. And I can say, that I have been guilty of this also.

[Fluffypants]

Originally Posted by corgimom

Corgis can be great at "manipulating" us into getting what they want and maybe lots of us have been outwitted by them at one time or another, and sometimes we all may have to realize that we may be the ones allowing this to happen.

GUILTY!

[sweetlychee]

Animals definitely manipulate as...and children too. We give in to their loving eyes.

[corgimom]

Fluffpants...oops, I just edited my post...I am guilty also

[glencorgi]

<sigh> I should have used more emoticons, although there is a limit to the amount of them allowed are limited.

There was no debate about Best in Show at Westminister, just a caution to be careful about what one wishes for. I realilze Sweetlychee is very new to corgi ownership and I've been through the excitement she is feeling. Best In Show stats at Westminister really have very little to do with whether someone is able to live with a breed on a daily basis. Being a veteran of the trenches dealing with the "I want one of those cute ones like I saw on the dog show" and cleaning up after the whim and impulse purchases - I feel some responsibility to educate and show the consequences of wishes sometimes made.

There was never an intent to insult anyone's intelligence with my comment about most people being better off with a dumb dog. Smart dogs, regardless of breed, are a challenge to live with in many ways. They are highly trainable, but that does not always translate into easily trainable. One only need to look to the obedience class threads to find the truth in that. Corgis don't do well with repetition, whereas other breeds will repeat something over and over just because it makes their owners happy. The breed of choice for the serious obedience competitors was once Golden Retrievers and they probably still hold the record for most Obedience Trial Champions (OTCH's). Earning one of those is no small accomplishment I assure you - so as you said "dumb" and "smart" dogs are also subjective.

Corgis have plenty of their 5 minutes of fame spotlight time. The 8 group placings and even winning the herding group saw to that. They have also had their share of Best In Show wins at all-breed shows. For example on other corgi lists, I can drop the call names of Bebe, Kevin, Sammy, Maggie and Carbon and list members will know exactly which corgi I am talking about and many of them were inspired to get their corgi because of them. All of these are Best In Show winning corgis by the way.

Westminister is not a regular dog show by any stretch of the imagination. Every entry there is a finished champion. Entries are limited. Invitations are sent to the top five dogs in each breed and then it is a potluck draw as to which other champions might get in. It is a very special occasion in the dog fancy. The Eukanuba Classic is another invitation dog show event - these are not regular all-breed dog shows. IF one is following the top show dogs in the country, the winners are not often too much of a surprise. Breeds do get high profile visibility.

NZ dog shows are set up somewhat differently than US dog shows and it is almost like comparing apples and oranges to compare Westminister to either one. That is not slighting the impressive performance of corgis at the NZ shows Michael referenced nor is it slighting Kevin's 71 Best in Shows in the US. Westminister is just different.

I will have to respectfully beg to differ that saying Milo has you trained is insulting your intelligence or a put down in anyway. I'll freely admit my dogs have me trained in certain things. <LOL> That's just the corgi way. Being aware of it gives us as humans a step ahead of our dogs, which we need in order to be a good leader in the pack. I take care of my dogs as well - feeding, grooming, tending to their health; but they also take care of me in many ways - mentally and emotionally.

Hope this clarifies things a bit more.

debbie

[glencorgi]

Now, for some real trivia - name the Pembrokes which did place or won the group at Westminister during that last streak.

debbie

[sweetlychee]

And that's all folks!

Well, I was not offended. No worries. As long as we all enjoy this really nice forum and community. I have learned a lot!

Have a great weekend, folks!

[Fluffypants]

Originally Posted by glencorgi

Now, for some real trivia - name the Pembrokes which did place or won the group at Westminister during that last streak.

debbie

Sammy Sosa