My baby corgi is going into heat

[Corgis'R4me]

*~* I knew that we wre NEVER GOING TO BREED Midnight or Sunshine...so, I took them both in to get spayed that weekend !!

There was not much mess (blood) but, Sunshine's energy level was a little bit low. She would not eat...hardly anything...either.










*~* Nikki

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I am not encouraging people to breed Corgis. I am encouraging people with mentally and physically healthy female Corgis not to have this fear factor placed arounf their necks which I think is an horrendously baseless exercise in this day and age.

It isn't placing a wrath of God fear in someone to point out a realistic picture of all possibilities that can happen in order to make a more informed and better educated decision on whether they wish to delve into breeding or not. There are risks involved, how dire one might consider them is up to individual interpretation. Bad things happen even with every possible contingency being taken into consideration and being prepared for as best as is humanly possible. Plus there are some schools of thought that this day and age with all the veterinary care options we have before us have in some ways led breeders to perhaps breeding dogs that would have never survived in days of more primitive veterinary care. It would have been more survival of the fittest.

I've gotten down to a point where one prominent and regular breeder of Pems, has only heard on one case of a female succumbing in producing a litter - and that was through an undetected bad heart.

Just because one breeder isn't hearing about complicated whelpings or only has heard of one case, doesn't mean that in the larger corgi world it isn't happening. All it would take me is a little time to search the archives of both show corgi lists and I can come up with difficult whelping stories, losses of puppies and even dams from NZ even. The internet has made international sharing of this information possible. Even from mentioned cases from various list members here, they've already outnumbered the one case acknowledged by your source.

The good breeders don't allow their females to have too many litters during their peak productive years. I don't think one to three litters for a healthy female Corgi is overstepping the mark.

Spoken with true patriarchal chauvinism and as a man with an intact male he's dying to get laid.

The original question in this thread was about the length of a heat cycle. It segued into breeding. Another thing that needs to be realized is the audience here. This is basically a pet forum, where we enjoy the corgis we own and that own us with each other. John and Sally Petowner rarely have any idea of what they are getting into with a breeding, whelping and raising puppies, that both male and female need to be tested for brucellosis (doggy VD) or what the gestation period is for puppies or what signs to watch for to indicate that their girl is going into labor or how long to let their girl go between puppies before it might be time to call the vet or that c-sections are very common in Pembrokes or that they can't take off to the zoo and see if their girl does okay on her on or that help will be needed to get puppies started or that some might be born dead or that they will lose puppies or that they might have to supplement if mom's milk doesn't come in right away or what kind of formula to even use for that and this is with NO complications. Puppies are a lot of work, even when there are no problems. Someone even contemplating breeding needs to be made aware of all contigencies and possibilities so they can make educated decisions and better prepare themselves. The better prepared one is, the less "dire" risks might occur.

Debbie

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Scotchyroo

Also, and totally unrelated, I have to ask, um.... my corgis are so uninterested in sex. Really. My older female, Jemima, is very handsome and her breeder wanted us to have one litter some years back, but she just wasn't having it, and my little male also has no interest. Has anyone else had this experience?? Some people I've met who love corgis note that they like that corgis aren't humpers like poodles or pugs.
I'd love to hear anyone's feedback.

Neutering does lower the hormones levels, which lowers the libido. However, not all humping or mounting is sexual in nature, sometimes it is dominance. Dominant females will also mount and hump from time to time. Doesn't really matter if they are neutered or not.

Should Taylor go into his flirty attempt to charm my Fiddle; she'd lead him on, let him go so far and if he crossed the line of freshness, then try to take his head off. That's just how she is. Which brings me to your Jemima, maiden b*tches often have very little interest in getting bred. Mature b*tches can get down right nasty with males, even if they are time wise ready to be bred - they'll take a stud's face off in a heart beat. On the other end of the spectrum I have a friend with a beautiful male and she really wanted a litter by him. She tried everything to entice and arouse him; he never had any interest at all. Couldn't even get him cooperative enough to do an AI.

A third aspect to the amount of humping a corgi will do is what it is allowed to get away with, in other words training. IF they are taught that it isn't acceptable behavior, then odds are it won't be such a problem. Our intact males haven't been a problem with it, even with in season girls around.

Debbie

[corgimom]

Well, our neighbors 10 year old German shepherd tried to hump Cody the other day - Poor Cody, he has that dog next door and a hyper very dominant female Rhodesian Ridgeback at the next house over that just won't give him a moments peace if she gets around him, so I try to not interact him with her.

[Michael Romanos]

Debbie - you've gone over the top once again - and watch out for the slope down the other side.
If Corgis were in grave danger every time they were pregnant or whelping as you believe they are, then most certainly the chances of breeders who may be involved with two - four litters a year - that's 40-80 litters over 20 years and some 300-600 pups, will have had some tragic results of the demise of some of the mothers. Well, we don't see this in New Zealand. Must be an American thing.

[Chip's Mom]

Michael:

What is the difference in size and population between NZ and the USA? Also, I don't think if a breeder loses a pregnant corgi, they are going to publish it in the newspaper.

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Debbie - you've gone over the top once again - and watch out for the slope down the other side.
If Corgis were in grave danger every time they were pregnant or whelping as you believe they are, then most certainly the chances of breeders who may be involved with two - four litters a year - that's 40-80 litters over 20 years and some 300-600 pups, will have had some tragic results of the demise of some of the mothers. Well, we don't see this in New Zealand. Must be an American thing.

Michael, no, I don't think she is over the top, and one example would be in regards to Delilah who was recently adopted by Checkers grandma. Go to the "Who's on Dogster thread" and read about what happen to Delilah's mom -very sad story indeed.

[Chip's Mom]

Linda:

Can you give us that link.

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Chip's Mom

Linda:

Can you give us that link.

Bonnie,

Go to the Thread "Who's on Dogster" -(should be on the side) Cheryl posted the link to Delilah's Dogster page and that is where I read the story and why I asked Cheryl about it under that thread. Very sad indeed