front feet with east/west defect

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by kalima62

Well your words of encouragement are so preciouse to me!!
But, you see, here in Italy it's not a common breed, There are only about 6 / 7 breeders, and believe me their dogs are really ""TOP DOGS"" the cream of the cream , and it's very difficult for a private owner of a corgi ( with no faults what so ever) to emerge in the show ring!!! So with Rommel, I'll continue having fun in agility... Can I put an italian link of welsh corgis? Is it permitted??
My english is good because i was born in Great Britain ( U.K.), that's were i discovered my love for corgis.
Luv to u all xxxx

No dog is without faults, not even the top dogs. Not here, not in England, not in Italy. the ALL have faults. It's the job of the handler to disguise or not bring attention to the faults in the show ring.

Boy, you're really rather international, born in the UK and living in Italy!!

And I don't see why you can't put an Italian link in your post.

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by kalima62

Peggy, can i join your internet list even if I'm in Italy?? What a shame i can't meet you all. You look like a very friendly and jolly group of interesting people and the corgis are beautiful!!!!

Corgi-L? It's not mine but sure you can join! Here's the page to join https://listserv.tamu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=corgi-l&A=1

There's also Showpem-L LISTSERV 15.0 - SHOWPEM-L List at APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM

There's also Performance Corgis PerformanceCorgis : For Welsh Corgi (Pem and Cardi) fans in all performance venues. Questions, training tips, networking, events, brags.

They'd all welcome you!

Peggy

[kalima62]

Thanks Debbie, you are so prepared and experienced in corgis and your tips have always been helpful for me!!!
thankyou again...

[Clogs]

Originally Posted by kalima62

Can I put an italian link of welsh corgis? Is it permitted??

*moderator hat on*

Absolutely permitted, so please go ahead.

[kalima62]

Here we are then...

Welsh Corgi Fanciers of Italy
hope you like it, but the cutest fotos are in the forum. Rommel is in the "CORGIE STORIES" thread.

[kalima62]

Originally Posted by kalima62

Here we are then...

Welsh Corgi Fanciers of Italy
hope you like it, but the cutest fotos are in the forum. Rommel is in the "CORGIE STORIES" thread.

Oh i forgot to mention that Rommel is in CORGI FOR EVER -Corgi Stories-

an other good corgi italian link:



DRAGONJOY CORGIS - welsh corgi pembroke - Welcome

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by kalima62

Oh i forgot to mention that Rommel is in CORGI FOR EVER -Corgi Stories-

an other good corgi italian link:

DRAGONJOY CORGIS - welsh corgi pembroke - Welcome

Thanks for those links. Some beautiful dogs. And this Dragonjoy corgis, is that where you got Rommel from? They have some really nice dogs.

Peggy

[BannaOj]

I know we are crazy with some of the "little things" we do here in the U.S. However shortening Rommel's claws may also help with the easty-westiness, both visually, and muscularly. If the tonails get long on an easty westy dog, they catch on the pavement as they walk and it seems to make the turnout even worse over time. (I have an easty westy Cardigan myself, and she definitely does better when her claws are very short)

Here in the U.S. a Dremel tool with a sanding band is often used to file claws down. With a dremel, you can shorten them gradually so that you never quick the dog so they bleed, you just keep the claws filed down very close to the quick and the quick will move back in the claw.

AJ

[glencorgi]

Well I hope my Cardigans are eastie/westie (well, at least with not more than 30 degrees of turn out that is). But yes, shorter toe nails do improve the foot and movement.

Debbie

[BannaOj]

*grin* If there was only 30 degrees of turnout I wouldn't consider a dog to be truly easty-westy...

It is interesting to figure out structurally what causes an improper turnout. (and I'm not saying the Pembroke in question has improper turnout, I'd want to see it in person before making that determination, like I said, my observation was that the longer nails exaggerated what was there.)

In my bitch's case she is long in the pastern. I will take this fault, over an incorrect wrap around or shoulder assembly that gives the same end result, east-west turnout. But many times you have to get your hands on the dog to feel it, and pictures don't tell the whole story.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by BannaOj

It is interesting to figure out structurally what causes an improper turnout. (and I'm not saying the Pembroke in question has improper turnout,

But that's the problem/fault, Pembrokes aren't supposed to have turn out.

"Legs - Short, forearms turned slightly inward, with the distance between the wrists less than between the shoulder joints, so the the front does not appear absolutely straight."

When you get to the wrists, where in Cardigans there is the turn out, in Pemmies the feet are supposed to "point" forward.

Debbie

[BannaOj]

In Cardis while you see excessive turnout, the reasons for it vary, which is why I've always attempted to break it down structurally to figure out what is "really" wrong with the dog.

I didn't realize that Pembs weren't supposed to have *any* turnout. (I went to a Pembroke/Cardi comparison seminar a couple of years back but it's been a while) The point I remember is that both breeds need to have "wrap-around" because they are dwarf breeds. Isn't the foot shape supposed to be different also? In Cardis a "pointier" shaped foot will also exxagerate turnout that is present.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by BannaOj

I didn't realize that Pembs weren't supposed to have *any* turnout. (I went to a Pembroke/Cardi comparison seminar a couple of years back but it's been a while) The point I remember is that both breeds need to have "wrap-around" because they are dwarf breeds. Isn't the foot shape supposed to be different also? In Cardis a "pointier" shaped foot will also exxagerate turnout that is present.

Yes, they both have the "wrap around" front, but that's the upper arm not the feet.

Cardigans have a round bone and round foot. Pembrokes have an oval bone and oval foot.

Peggy