Gator's big snip is scheduled

[Checkers]

Well... Gator's big day with the vet is set for Wednesday of next week (Feb 7th). My previous vet was able to recomend a vet closer to where we live now, and even though they are the most expensive I have opted to go with them. I trusted my old vet very much so their opinion means a lot... and they didn't even hesitate when I asked for the recommendation so I take that as a good sign. The good news is I was re-examining Gator the other day and definitely could feel two little bulbs in there so I won't have to worry about the more invasive surgery that it would have been in there were an undescended testicle.

I do have a question though... Gator's previous owner gave me the paperwork with his shot info and such and there was a sheet with the breeder's name and number on it. Do you guys think I should give her a call? If so, what all should I be asking? She said he was not completely purebred so I'm curious if she even knows what else is in him (though if I had to guess I would wager along the lines of a Shiba Inu). Also it would be nice to know if there was any health testing done on the parents. What do you think? Call, or just leave it alone and go from where I am? There was no kennel name listed either btw.... but the food she recommended for the pup was a high quality food (imo... much better than the Iams they put him on after he got to UT).

[corgimom]

Cheryl,

Well, me being the way I am, I would have to call because the curiosity would kill me If you really want to call and find out those questions, why not give it a try.

[Dillydoodle]

That is a tough one, reputable breeders dont mind getting calls about their dogs or their lines etc, however with some breeders that are not breeding purebred dogs they tend not to bother with with health testing and such. The fact that she is encouraging people to get better quality dog food for the puppy speaks well of her, so who knows maybe she just had an accident where she might breed several different kinds of dogs and one got to her female in heat. It is hard to say for sure as we dont know this person or their situation. I think it can't hurt to call...the worst that could happen is that she doesnt tell you anything, but i doubt that would happen. I am glad that you have found two descended testicles, the surgery for that is quite a lot less invasive than the other...I know, DIllon was a cryptorchid...the surgery was about 2 1/2 times more expensive than a standard neuter...oh and the recovery time was a little longer too...hard to keep a young guy quiet afterwards! He just wanted to run and play! also glad you found a good vet close by.
Emilie

[corgimom]

Emilie,

The prices must be very high out there. Cody was cryptorchid like Dillon and it was only $30 more than the regular neuter would have cost. Total cost was $155.

[ZdogZ]

We will think about Gator! I'm going to try and get Zia spayed in late February. Going to get it done on a Friday so that I can spend all weekend with her.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Checkers

I do have a question though... Gator's previous owner gave me the paperwork with his shot info and such and there was a sheet with the breeder's name and number on it. Do you guys think I should give her a call?
If so, what all should I be asking? She said he was not completely purebred so I'm curious if she even knows what else is in him (though if I had to guess I would wager along the lines of a Shiba Inu). Also it would be nice to know if there was any health testing done on the parents. What do you think? Call, or just leave it alone and go from where I am? There was no kennel name listed either btw.... but the food she recommended for the pup was a high quality food (imo... much better than the Iams they put him on after he got to T).

Where is the breeder from? I thought he was a Utah dog. And if so, then the breeder won't care. (Since there are only a couple of reputable breeders in Utah.)

If he's not purebred then he should not have papers. If there is no kennel name/prefix then he's not from a reputable breeder. (And well, a reputable breeder would not have papers on a non purebred.) Well, I was assuming AKC papers. Are they AKC or some other registery.

It's VERY doubtful that any health tests were done. Only reputable breeders do that. Also, a reputable breeder would have had first refusal or he'd have had to be returned if the owner couldn't keep him. I do NOT let others place any dog I've bred. If the original home can't keep them they come back to me.

Send me some of his pictures privately and I'll let you know if I think he's purebred or not.

Peggy

[Dillydoodle]

Linda,
Dillon's surgery was $360 - and that is cheap compared to NYC where one of my online friends had spent $600 for same surgery- I told her she should have brought her dog up to CT as it was so much cheaper.. Now i think i should have gone to the midwest to have it done! yikes!

Emilie

[ZdogZ]

I'm not sure what that type of surgery would cost around here. When we got Zip neutered 1-1/2 years ago, it costs us $60.

[Checkers]

Where is the breeder from? I thought he was a Utah dog. And if so, then the breeder won't care. (Since there are only a couple of reputable breeders in Utah.)

The breeder is from Indiana. Apparently, the lady who gave him up to us got him from there and then brought him here to Utah. Seems they were living there at the time and had just moved here. She claims to have paid $250 for him from the breeder.

If he's not purebred then he should not have papers. If there is no kennel name/prefix then he's not from a reputable breeder. (And well, a reputable breeder would not have papers on a non purebred.) Well, I was assuming AKC papers. Are they AKC or some other registery.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. By saying there is no kennel name, I mean that they didn't put a kennel name on the hand written info/instruction sheet that obviously came with him. It mearly lists the breeders name, address, phone, date born (August 20, 2006), worming and vaccination dates (and what was given), and the food she had been feeding and recomended (Veterinarian Formulated Complete). He is not registered... and, in fact, the lady that gave him up to us said he wasn't registered because there is a mix of some sort back farther in his lines (I got the impression of it being two generations back at least). There are several clues that we aren't dealing with a reputable breeder here.... but that doesn't mean she doesn't care at all either, and I would like to know what the mix was just for curiosity sake. I don't know.. just trying to decide if there is any point in contacting them to find out more... guess I won't know unless I try... but wanted to get some feedback and see what you all thought first.

All of the pictures I have of him atm are on his dogster page in my signature.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Checkers

He is not registered... and, in fact, the lady that gave him up to us said he wasn't registered because there is a mix of some sort back farther in his lines (I got the impression of it being two generations back at least).

Could be, but I don't see any signs of an obvious mix.

There are several clues that we aren't dealing with a reputable breeder here....

Ummmmm yea, well more like a clearly marked road map.

but that doesn't mean she doesn't care at all either,

That she didn't sell on a contract with a first right of refusal clause and that the owner was "giving him away" without his/her input pretty good indicators.

and I would like to know what the mix was just for curiosity sake.

That would presume she might even know.

I don't know.. just trying to decide if there is any point in contacting them to find out more... guess I won't know unless I try... but wanted to get some feedback and see what you all thought first.

In my experience and from my rescue background dealing with the type of breeders Checkers came from, only do it IF you have the time to waste.

Debbie

[Fluffypants]

Originally Posted by Dillydoodle

Linda,
Dillon's surgery was $360 - and that is cheap compared to NYC where one of my online friends had spent $600 for same surgery- I told her she should have brought her dog up to CT as it was so much cheaper.. Now i think i should have gone to the midwest to have it done! yikes!
Emilie

Yes - gotta love the (NY/CT/NJ) tri-state area.

Cheryl - if you want answers to your questions - go ahead and call. It couldn't hurt. If you get nothing from them, you are no worse off than you are now (plus, you have just confirmed what a lucky guy Gator is now, to be with someone who DOES care about him). I think I might have mentioned how I feel about research and knowledge gathering (only about a zillion times, Jess - we get it!!! ) - so that's what I would do.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Checkers

The breeder is from Indiana.

The mid west is where most of the puppy mills are.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. By saying there is no kennel name, I mean that they didn't put a kennel name on the hand written info/instruction sheet that obviously came with him.

Typical of breeders who don't show (IMO, reputable)

There are several clues that we aren't dealing with a reputable breeder here.... but that doesn't mean she doesn't care at all either,

If she really cared there would have been a contract, one that stated that he couldn't be placed without her knowledge. She wanted the sale and that was all.

And if there is a mix somewhere in the back ground and she's registered the dogs anyway, well, that is not only unethical but the AKC would not register a dog like that if they knew. So she lied to them.

and I would like to know what the mix was just for curiosity sake.

He looks purebred to me. If there's anything else there it's too far back to make a difference.

I don't know.. just trying to decide if there is any point in contacting them to find out more...

I think it would be a waste of your time. JMO.

Peggy

[Checkers]

Hehe... okay, so we have established I would be wasting my time. I still may end up doing it just out of curiosity, but I may not... still haven't decided. Maybe one day when I have a few minutes worth wasting. I have been trying to get a better side view of him "stacked" LOL and this is the best I have gotten. I haven't seen another corgi carry his nub so high like he does...but I haven't seen a whole lot of corgi's in person outside of Checkers and maybe 3 or 4 others. *shrug* None of it really matters...it won't change how much we love him already... or how well he is fitting into our family. Anyhow.. here's the pic....oh... and his tail in this picture is actually being held lower than he normally holds it. Normally it is sticking straight up... literally.

[Chip's Mom]

Chip's neuter was about $160 if I recall right. I have paid so many vet bills it is hard for me to keep track. Anyway, I had him microchipped so that was added into the amount. I think there are alot of puppy mills in the Ohio too. I think Gator is very pretty and I would call the breeder just for curiosity's sake and see what she has to say. The only thing it would cost is your time and the call. good luck

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Checkers

I haven't seen another corgi carry his nub so high like he does...but I haven't seen a whole lot of corgi's in person outside of Checkers and maybe 3 or 4 others. *shrug* None of it really matters...it won't change how much we love him already... or how well he is fitting into our family. Anyhow.. here's the pic....oh... and his tail in this picture is actually being held lower than he normally holds it. Normally it is sticking straight up... literally.

Nothing about the tail/nubbin that sets off any alarm bells about anything being in the "mix" of his family tree. A correct tail set for Pembrokes is high and yes the tail would be/can be up and over the back.

Debbie