your thoughts and prayers

Jane Austen · 04-25-2006, 01:29 PM

Yesterday in another thread I mentioned that Duchess had an upset stomach which the vet thought was gastroenteritis? She didn't get better overnight so another trip to the office. This time she was blood tested for something to do with the pancreas. That failed to find the problem. The vet is keeping her all day to replace some fluids. The doctor thinks she may have a liver ailment. I have a lot of faith in the vet, but this hit or miss diagnosis is making me wonder. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you all in advance. I feel I can come to you to help me through this tough time.

Chip's Mom · 04-25-2006, 01:37 PM

Hi Jane:

I will pray for you and Dutchess. It is so worrisome when you have a sick furbaby. Hope all goes well.

corgimom · 04-25-2006, 07:31 PM

Jane, I can't remember, how old is Duchess? My Betsy who I had to put to
sleep this December suffered with Pancreatitis quite frequently in the last two
years of her life. I was giving her Pepcid AC twice a day(per my vet) and
feeding her Science Hill soft ID on and off(For upset stomach.) Her stomach would gurgle a lot and she would vomit up this yellowish flem on and off. In the end, she had a tumor on her liver, but I don't think the two were related.

I will keep her in my prayers.

Linda

glencorgi · 04-25-2006, 07:32 PM

Jane,

Keeping you and Dutchess in our thoughts. Let us know what the vet says.

Debbie

Michael Romanos · 04-25-2006, 08:26 PM

Hi Jane.
So sorry that Duchess is unwell.
A liver ailment per se can be contained though it's a rather generalisation terminology. Usually damage to the liver is caused when toxins penetrate the interior of the liver cells. The vet may suggest that Duchess is given Milk Thistle for Dogs medication. Whatever Duchess has got in this regard, it most likely is the result of things that happened before you and her had met.

Some vets mistakenly diagnose a liver disease when the actual problem is Cushings Disease. Cushings is a glandular disorder and medication such as Milk Thistle would be useless. There are holistic treatments for Cushings.
I have access to advice from many sources ( not internet) here, but a vet who is treating Duchess needs to diagnose correctly first.

corgimom · 04-25-2006, 09:53 PM

Michael, you are right - it could be cushings. I had thought maybe my
Betsy had it - but she did not have the majority of all the symptoms of cushings. Is Duchess drinking lots of water(more than usual)? If something
is wrong with her liver, her liver enzymes will be very high and the blood work
will show that.

Linda

Jane Austen · 04-26-2006, 04:43 AM

Looking back at the previous owners papers on Duchess I found that she has had this condition before. (The papers are hard to read since they are copies) They seemed to have taken the same hit or miss route in her treatment. Duchess is almost eight years old, I have had her for eight months and she never had a sick day since I got her till now.
The vet gave me science hill ID canned food but the dog will not eat it even when she is hungry. Am just about to give her her first food in three days(rice and cottage cheese) and hope she can keep it down. I am giving her ice in her water dish so she won't gulp the water.
I also found that she had bitten every one in the family except her mistress.
What a different dog she is with us. She is great with strangers too.

Michael Romanos · 04-26-2006, 05:05 AM

HI Jane
You must be worried sick. Poor Duchess. Your love for her has rebounded to the extent of her treating other people surrounding you with affection and respect. Your last post poses questions. If Duchess had this condition before - how long ago and what treatment was administered to get her into a state of health that has lasted until now. If you had realised this at the onset, you could have given her a special diet and some form of medication commensurate with her past problems.

herdingdogs · 04-26-2006, 05:44 AM

I hope that you can find out what is ailing Duchess. Poor girl. It's tough when we have an ailing dog and don't know what is wrong and how to make it better. I hope the vet can discover what it is soon so that she will be feeling better in no time. Good luck, sending prayers and healing vibes your way.
Linda

Jane Austen · 04-26-2006, 06:26 AM

Michael,
I had read these papers before but they didn't mean a lot to me at the time. I even brought them to the vet for her first visit. The records did not tell just what the diagnosis was at the time but they used about the same meds as what I have to give her now. On my next visit to the vet I will point out the previous incident.
Will also ask the vet about Milk of Thistle and what is Cushings Disease. Thanks to all.

corgimom · 04-26-2006, 06:46 AM

Jane, you have probably aready read about Cushings on the internet by now, but here are two good sites to go to regarding Canine Cushings:

www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?articleid=416

www.petdiabetes.org/cushings.htm

Maybe they will answer some questions for you.

Linda

darci · 04-26-2006, 09:05 AM

You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Please keep us posted on her condition.

Jane Austen · 04-26-2006, 10:33 AM

corgimom,
I printed out and read what was on the first website. I will ask the vet tomorrow about the possibility of her having Cushings. Some of the symtoms are familiar. Like non stop eating, but then that is a corgi trait.
Duchess seems a lot better. Kept her food down.
Thanks for the info. Jane

corgimom · 04-26-2006, 10:55 AM

Jane,

There were two medications that my vet would prescribe for my Betsy whewe were dealing with her stomah issues - vomiting, rumbling stomach and sometimes loss of appetite. They were:

Metoclopramide or

Metronidazole( This is the antibiotic, but also helps the stomach)

These worked by settling down the gut and helping with the motility of the gut and getting everything to flow right and took care of nausea. She had used both of these, for about a 10 day period This always seemed to do the trick for her, temporarily, but eventually she would have pancreatitis down the road again - like every 3 months - this was during the last 2 years of her life which I also mentioned she would take 5 mg of pepcid
AC twice a day to help with her stomah upsets.

Anyway, not sure what your Duchess has, but you may want to bring these medications up and see what your vet thinks. Good Luck

Linda
Corgimom

Jhemphill · 04-26-2006, 11:05 AM

Maxi and I send healing and get well soon thoughts to you and Duchess, please keep us informed on how you and Duchess are doing.

04-25-2006, 01:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 803	your thoughts and prayers Yesterday in another thread I mentioned that Duchess had an upset stomach which the vet thought was gastroenteritis? She didn't get better overnight so another trip to the office. This time she was blood tested for something to do with the pancreas. That failed to find the problem. The vet is keeping her all day to replace some fluids. The doctor thinks she may have a liver ailment. I have a lot of faith in the vet, but this hit or miss diagnosis is making me wonder. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you all in advance. I feel I can come to you to help me through this tough time. Last edited by Jane Austen; 04-25-2006 at 01:53 PM.

04-26-2006, 04:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 803	Looking back at the previous owners papers on Duchess I found that she has had this condition before. (The papers are hard to read since they are copies) They seemed to have taken the same hit or miss route in her treatment. Duchess is almost eight years old, I have had her for eight months and she never had a sick day since I got her till now. The vet gave me science hill ID canned food but the dog will not eat it even when she is hungry. Am just about to give her her first food in three days(rice and cottage cheese) and hope she can keep it down. I am giving her ice in her water dish so she won't gulp the water. I also found that she had bitten every one in the family except her mistress. What a different dog she is with us. She is great with strangers too. Last edited by Jane Austen; 04-26-2006 at 04:49 AM.

04-26-2006, 05:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
herdingdogs Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 69 Images: 4	I hope that you can find out what is ailing Duchess. Poor girl. It's tough when we have an ailing dog and don't know what is wrong and how to make it better. I hope the vet can discover what it is soon so that she will be feeling better in no time. Good luck, sending prayers and healing vibes your way. Linda __________________ Linda Zoe & Tab (PWC) Sage & Remmy (Aussies) Kes & Neelix (cats) in Maryland

04-26-2006, 09:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
darci Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,049 Images: 14	You are in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us posted on her condition. __________________ Cindy ( darci's mom )

04-26-2006, 10:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Jane, There were two medications that my vet would prescribe for my Betsy whewe were dealing with her stomah issues - vomiting, rumbling stomach and sometimes loss of appetite. They were: Metoclopramide or Metronidazole( This is the antibiotic, but also helps the stomach) These worked by settling down the gut and helping with the motility of the gut and getting everything to flow right and took care of nausea. She had used both of these, for about a 10 day period This always seemed to do the trick for her, temporarily, but eventually she would have pancreatitis down the road again - like every 3 months - this was during the last 2 years of her life which I also mentioned she would take 5 mg of pepcid AC twice a day to help with her stomah upsets. Anyway, not sure what your Duchess has, but you may want to bring these medications up and see what your vet thinks. Good Luck Linda Corgimom Last edited by corgimom; 04-26-2006 at 01:53 PM.

04-25-2006, 01:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chip's Mom Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northeast TN Posts: 2,243 Images: 3	Hi Jane: I will pray for you and Dutchess. It is so worrisome when you have a sick furbaby. Hope all goes well.

04-25-2006, 07:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Jane, I can't remember, how old is Duchess? My Betsy who I had to put to sleep this December suffered with Pancreatitis quite frequently in the last two years of her life. I was giving her Pepcid AC twice a day(per my vet) and feeding her Science Hill soft ID on and off(For upset stomach.) Her stomach would gurgle a lot and she would vomit up this yellowish flem on and off. In the end, she had a tumor on her liver, but I don't think the two were related. I will keep her in my prayers. Linda

04-25-2006, 07:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
glencorgi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Piedmont Triad, NC Posts: 2,417 Images: 3	Jane, Keeping you and Dutchess in our thoughts. Let us know what the vet says. Debbie

04-25-2006, 08:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,902 Images: 2	Hi Jane. So sorry that Duchess is unwell. A liver ailment per se can be contained though it's a rather generalisation terminology. Usually damage to the liver is caused when toxins penetrate the interior of the liver cells. The vet may suggest that Duchess is given Milk Thistle for Dogs medication. Whatever Duchess has got in this regard, it most likely is the result of things that happened before you and her had met. Some vets mistakenly diagnose a liver disease when the actual problem is Cushings Disease. Cushings is a glandular disorder and medication such as Milk Thistle would be useless. There are holistic treatments for Cushings. I have access to advice from many sources ( not internet) here, but a vet who is treating Duchess needs to diagnose correctly first.

04-25-2006, 09:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Michael, you are right - it could be cushings. I had thought maybe my Betsy had it - but she did not have the majority of all the symptoms of cushings. Is Duchess drinking lots of water(more than usual)? If something is wrong with her liver, her liver enzymes will be very high and the blood work will show that. Linda

04-26-2006, 05:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,902 Images: 2	HI Jane You must be worried sick. Poor Duchess. Your love for her has rebounded to the extent of her treating other people surrounding you with affection and respect. Your last post poses questions. If Duchess had this condition before - how long ago and what treatment was administered to get her into a state of health that has lasted until now. If you had realised this at the onset, you could have given her a special diet and some form of medication commensurate with her past problems.

04-26-2006, 06:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 803	Michael, I had read these papers before but they didn't mean a lot to me at the time. I even brought them to the vet for her first visit. The records did not tell just what the diagnosis was at the time but they used about the same meds as what I have to give her now. On my next visit to the vet I will point out the previous incident. Will also ask the vet about Milk of Thistle and what is Cushings Disease. Thanks to all.

04-26-2006, 06:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
corgimom Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,199	Jane, you have probably aready read about Cushings on the internet by now, but here are two good sites to go to regarding Canine Cushings: www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?articleid=416 www.petdiabetes.org/cushings.htm Maybe they will answer some questions for you. Linda

04-26-2006, 10:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 803	corgimom, I printed out and read what was on the first website. I will ask the vet tomorrow about the possibility of her having Cushings. Some of the symtoms are familiar. Like non stop eating, but then that is a corgi trait. Duchess seems a lot better. Kept her food down. Thanks for the info. Jane

04-26-2006, 11:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jhemphill Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 191 Images: 10	Maxi and I send healing and get well soon thoughts to you and Duchess, please keep us informed on how you and Duchess are doing.

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