9 week old male Corgi puppy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

If the little Corgi pup was sent to New Zealand, I could find thousands of responsible people who would want him.

Michael, there is a very good rescue network in the US. And plenty of responsible people looking for corgis. Puppies and young dogs are easy to place. It's the seniors here that we have trouble placing. (And the seniors are not candidates for long flights.)

Peggy

[Michael Romanos]

Peggy - what plane did you fall out of???

And Ms Peggy, no vet in a western-type society is compelled to kill or euthanise a healthy and able animal let alone a Corgi pup. In New Zealand (as elsewhere without doubt) there is no legal obligation for a vet to put down an animal. Their obligation is to administer to the animal as best they can if the animal is sick or injured. One vet I spoke to recently was visted by an elderly woman and her Lab. The Lab was subjected to one or two seizures a year and the woman wanted the dog to be euthanised. The vet refused because the Lab was fine apart from the odd seizure.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

And Ms Peggy, no vet in a western-type society is compelled to kill or euthanise a healthy and able animal let alone a Corgi pup.

I beg to differ. This is another case where assumptions and blanket statements are being made without knowledge of legal obligations and requirements in the US. IF an owner wants their animal euthanized regardless of age, health and even if it is a corgi puppy, then by law the vet is required to do so. That isn't saying vets will not try to talk an owner out of their decision by proposing alternative options such as rescue or volunteering to find a home. It isn't saying either that sometimes vets will sometimes go behind the owner's back and not euthanize the animal if the owner leaves the animal for the procedure to be done later in the day at the vet's convenience. But by law, they are supposed to follow the owner's instructions.

The original owner of this corgi puppy used the ultimate in emotional blackmail - "somebody do something about my dog or I'm going to have it put down." It gets them off the hook responsibility wise (in their convoluted way of thinking) because it isn't their fault, it is everyone else's fault because nobody did anything. They "tried" though.

Thanks for stepping up and in for Toby Debbie. SoCal Pem Rescue is going to be helping you with him correct? Good group of folks.

Debbie

[Jane Austen]

We haven't heard any more about Toby since Sunday. Does anyone have updates?

[MyPemCharlie]

I saw this post on another Corgi forum. (I'm assuming this is the same Toby.)

"Hi folks.

I am a member of pwccsc.org, a southern CA corgi club which also operates a corgi rescue.
I have been notified that there is a 12-week old male pem pup currently in fosterage that will need a permanent home.
If interested, please visit pwccsc.org and fill out the adoption application. The pups name is Toby.
You can also email me directly at corgithunder@aim.com for a few pics of the little scamp.

Toby isn't the only furr-kid in need of a home. We currently have 2 other 3 yr olds in foster care and possibly 5 others that may be in fosterage very soon. So far it's been a record year for rescue activity, and we aren't even halfway through 2008. We have owners surrendering their animals from having to move into non-pet-friendly apartments to just being overwhelmed with the amount of care and training corgis require. Ages tend to run between 2 to 4 years old. Could one of these fit into your corgi-pack?"

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Peggy - what plane did you fall out of???

And Ms Peggy, no vet in a western-type society is compelled to kill or euthanise a healthy and able animal let alone a Corgi pup.

First I am NOT a Ms. I have never used that title and never will.

I didn't fall out of any plane. Remember I have worked for a vet, and here in the US if you bring in an animal, even one that's healthy and ask your vet to put that animal to sleep, he has to do it. YOU are paying and the animal is the property of the owner and it is their choice.

Shelters, Humane Societies, whatever you want to call them will also put down healthy animals. And yes, it happens with more frequency than you will care to imagine.

In New Zealand (as elsewhere without doubt) there is no legal obligation for a vet to put down an animal.

Well, again this is another place where your NZ laws don't apply. In the US it is different. And a vet is legally bound to do as the OWNER of the animal desires. And if he doesn't he can lose his liscense.

Sorry to say so but that is the way it is. Maybe it's you who should get your head out of the sand and look beyond NZ once in awhile.

Peggy

[LaRogue]

I didn't fall out of any plane. Remember I have worked for a vet, and here in the US if you bring in an animal, even one that's healthy and ask your vet to put that animal to sleep, he has to do it. YOU are paying and the animal is the property of the owner and it is their choice.

I have to say this is a surprise to me. Since it's not "medical" treatment, the vet can't refuse and say to the owner to take the dog elsewhere?

[Michael Romanos]

We have found yet another law in the USA that needs sifting - giving a vet no choice to say: no not here, go somewhere else , is inhuman, unbelieveable and undemocratic. I wonder if the Chinese have a better system. So let's rephrase that - no vet in Oceania, Europe and parts of South America, Asia and Africa would be compelled to euthanise a healthy and able animal especially a young pedigree pup.

[Louwants]

I think we are getting off of the subject, which is whether or not, the little corgi was rescued by one of our fellow members.

So, has anyone heard if she was able to rescue the puppy?

[MyPemCharlie]

This is another quote from Patrick with the SoCal Corgi Rescue:

"The latest word on Toby is that the owner who surrendered him is regretting her decision. He may be going back to her instead up being placed for adoption.
It's true what they say, you don't know what you got til it's gone. Hopefully being separated from him will inspire the owner to work with him instead of throwing him away."

I'd like to hear from bleegeorge too though. Did you get the pup temporarily?

[Louwants]

Oh, if this is the Toby, I don't think that the person deserves to have him back!! Who knows if they change their mind again??? Poor little dog won't know if he is coming or going.

[MyPemCharlie]

It would be an extreme coincidence if there were two different "Toby" puppies given up in So Cal within 24 hours...but stranger things have happened.

I don't think the owner deserves the pup back either, if she was seriously considering having him put to sleep as any kind of good option. But I guess that if she did not sign any type of contract or paper officially giving up her rights, then he is still her dog. Hopefully she will at least know in the future that their are a lot of people willing to find her dog a good home if she can't deal with it. I am still hoping she'll decide to sign him over though.

[Louwants]

We can only keep our fingers crossed that she does sign him over, and give him a chance at a better home. Like you said, at least now she is better educated about what options she has other than put the puppy to sleep.

[bleegeorge]

My husband and I picked up Toby two nights ago and kept him overnight. What a delight he is! I delivered him to the rescue the next morning, and was so impressed with how wonderful the situation was going to be for Toby. The lady who gave him up kept calliing and thanking me for helping her. That evening she called again and asked if she could get him back. One of her family members wanted the puppy, and she was getting pressure. I told her Toby was already in the system and all concerned would need to submit an application, as there was already a lot of interest. The next day I received a phone call from her attorney who made it sound like she was taken advantage of, and that I should give her dog back. I stood my ground and did not volunteer any information. Apparently the woman lied about wanting the dog back for herself, she didn't tell him she was planning to give Toby away if she got him back. Later in the day I received a call from my former neighbor who initially contacted me to help this woman. The woman called her to tell her she got her Toby back, and thanks. I just don't get it, all everyone did to help her and Toby, and she basically abused us. Poor Toby.

[Louwants]

POOR, POOR, TOBY!!!!

Good for you for sticking to your guns with her lawyer, if it was a lawyer.

Thank you for all you did, I just wished it turned out better for Toby.