Hello to all other proud Corgi owners out there!

[emma]

Good to hear you decided not to breed. I would suggest that you get Lola involved in some basic training. It sounds like she needs to learn some basic rules and also how to interact more appropriately with other dogs. A poorly behaved dog is not a good thing. Just like children, an obnoxious 3 year old may seem cute, but if the behavior is not corrected they will turn into an obnoxious adult which is definitely NOT cute. Basic training and rules will help her become a nicer dog. Viscousness may seem cute now but what if she turned on a child?

[LittlePonzo]

Although this has not much to do with anything about Lola or Lord...Did I miss something? I can't for the life of me find any mention to Lola's breeder that everyone is seeing. I went to look at Lord's breeder and I wasn't even able to see that they breed 3 different breeds thems. I must be losing it!

Anyway, welcome Cheyenne. I am glad you decided not breed Lola, just because you like her viciousness doesn't mean others do and that is certainly a trait that would be passed on. However, I am surprised (but guess not really given what other members have posted about your breeder) that she wasn't sold on a limited registration. Any responsible breeder who sells a dog that they do not wish to keep or co-own or share some responsiblity in will usually sell the dog only on an AKC limited registration which means that you have no choice but to spay or neuter them because the breeder does not want his or her name associated with any poor breed specimen that could arise from inexperienced breeding.

[Chip's Mom]

As far as Lord's lineage and bloodlines go he is a descendant of many times champions. He is a grandson of Couragious Cuz and Ninja, you can look them up on the breeders website www.bigdogkennel.com,

That is so sad - Did you all see the heavy chains on the male rotties? I shouldn't have looked. Thankfully, Aladdin never saw a chain or a choke collar in his entire life. He was so tall that I would slip my hand in under his buckle collar and walk him all over the walking trails, parks and flea markets. He never was in obedience class. I didn't realize how much I still miss him until I looked at these pics. He was a misfortune of breeding also. I just don't understand why people don't breed to the standard and for good quality pups. A person doesn't have to own champion showdogs to breed good quality pets for homes they just have to do research and have good quality dogs to start off with, do the medical tests and have plenty of knowledge about the breed. Ok guys I am thoroughly depressed.

[Dillydoodle]

(((((((((((((bonnie))))))))))))) sounds like you could use a hug! I understand...I also had a hard time with the website as well...proud of the quantity of litters rather than the quality..

Emilie

[Bayoucorgi]

Cheyenne, I can see that you genuinely mean well for your dogs. I hope you will continue to learn more. I'm glad to see that you will think things through on breeding. I am glad you have a protective nature toward your dogs and their get. Contracts are a definite must-have for a good breeder. Your "choosiness" regarding possible mates is good too. I hope you write in that Lord has his OFA clearance, his Vet Ophthalmologist (CERF preferably), VWD cleared, possibly an obedience title or five (working dogs must be biddable and reliable and obedience work is great proof), and hopefully siblings with the same.

"One or two litters in a lifetime" is still too many for a poor quality specimen of the breed. Knowing the backgrounds of these dogs breeders, the chances that these dogs are truly good quality is iffy. You say you don't want to be a "breeder". If your dogs produce puppies, you ARE a breeder, like it or not. Be a GOOD one. I'm proud to be a breeder. I produced 5 litters in 28 years. I produced GOOD dogs. I produced dogs that live in service to man. I had fun. I had heartache. I took care of what I produced.

Having people who say they want a puppy is not the same as having homes who will provide a lifetime home for a dog. I agree with you, lots of people have kids that shouldn't. My two older children are adopted. One's mother abandoned her as a newborn under a bush near a hospital. The other's parents were incarcerated and he was removed from their home by the County. Sadly, the fate of unwanted dogs is still much worse than unwanted children.

And being "the grandson of so and so" means NOTHING. My 14yo dog that died in December was the grandson of my AKC Ch Zack was a UD, JH, WCX, VCX, Can. UD. His sire an Am. Can. Ch UD, WC, VCX, Can CDX and his dam was Am. Can. OTCH. with other multiple titles.

My Marsh (the grandson) was a sweet, beautiful, gentle dog with a remarkably beautiful head and astounding bone. His litter-sisters were Champions and UD's. All were OFA sound. But he didn't have the true movement, rock-solid topline, and biddablity. He was a nice dog, but still not worthy of adding his genes to the genepool.

Did you ever see the Walt Disney movie, "Homeward Bound"? Shadow was also Zack's son (three dogs played the part of Shadow). His real name was Tyler. He was the one that did all the swimming and jumping and all the cat scenes. The other two dogs hated the cat. He was the funniest, hammiest, absolutely beautiful, most biddable and trainable dog. But he had light eyes, shallow ribspring, long feet and wheat-gluten allergy. He was neutered too.

I was really blessed that my first purebred dog was NOT great. I bought her from a backyard breeder and showed and trained and trialed her, and of course I planned to breed her. But a good breeder advised me what I am advising you - to get the clearances before breeding her. She was dysplastic even tho she never took a lame step. I spayed her. It forced me to learn more and eventually I had the success and really great dogs in my program.

[CorgiMum]

Hi Cheynne,

My two 2 Pems are Montrose, she is almost 12.5 years old, and Dylan, he is 9.

I have been reading these posts regarding breeding your dogs etc, and I may have missed something, but I didn't where Lola had puppies around her to take care of & "raise".

Originally Posted by Cheyenne60041

Now we will have to buy another little girl, although I was thinking about maybe adopting a female Corgi puppy if I could find one under 6 months old. The younger the better though because Lola takes care and "raises" puppies, but not after they are past 6 months old. I guess they are big enough to fend for themselves at that point.

Glad that you have joined us here to share and learn along with us.

[Cheyenne60041]

Originally Posted by CorgiMum

Hi Cheynne,

My two 2 Pems are Montrose, she is almost 12.5 years old, and Dylan, he is 9.

I have been reading these posts regarding breeding your dogs etc, and I may have missed something, but I didn't where Lola had puppies around her to take care of & "raise".



Glad that you have joined us here to share and learn along with us.

Neighbor's puppies. We have 3 neighbors on our street with puppies. 1 is grown now a year old and 2 and the other two are 4-5 respectively now. Lola is teaching them how to trick Lord out of his favorite toy of the moment. LOL

[Cheyenne60041]

Originally Posted by emma

Good to hear you decided not to breed. I would suggest that you get Lola involved in some basic training. It sounds like she needs to learn some basic rules and also how to interact more appropriately with other dogs. A poorly behaved dog is not a good thing. Just like children, an obnoxious 3 year old may seem cute, but if the behavior is not corrected they will turn into an obnoxious adult which is definitely NOT cute. Basic training and rules will help her become a nicer dog. Viscousness may seem cute now but what if she turned on a child?

Lola would never turn on a child. I am amazed at her patience. I am not patient myself when it comes to kids they annoy the h*ll out of me to the point of me throwing them out of the house (if they are my sons friends) or leaving if I am in public. My son almost never cried as a baby or toddler and whining for things was and is always punished. The only times he would wake at night and cry or during the day was because he was teething or didn't feel good. Even now any "but moooom............" gets automatic 1 day of no video games, TV, computer. That almost never happens though. ;o)
And little kids can do anything to her; they can pull her fur, stub of a tail, ears, poke her everywhere and she is just happy that they like her. She is the same way with cats.

[corgimom]

Originally Posted by Bayoucorgi

Cheyenne, I can see that you genuinely mean well for your dogs. I hope you will continue to learn more. I'm glad to see that you will think things through on breeding. I am glad you have a protective nature toward your dogs and their get. Contracts are a definite must-have for a good breeder. Your "choosiness" regarding possible mates is good too. I hope you write in that Lord has his OFA clearance, his Vet Ophthalmologist (CERF preferably), VWD cleared, possibly an obedience title or five (working dogs must be biddable and reliable and obedience work is great proof), and hopefully siblings with the same.

"One or two litters in a lifetime" is still too many for a poor quality specimen of the breed. Knowing the backgrounds of these dogs breeders, the chances that these dogs are truly good quality is iffy. You say you don't want to be a "breeder". If your dogs produce puppies, you ARE a breeder, like it or not. Be a GOOD one. I'm proud to be a breeder. I produced 5 litters in 28 years. I produced GOOD dogs. I produced dogs that live in service to man. I had fun. I had heartache. I took care of what I produced.

Having people who say they want a puppy is not the same as having homes who will provide a lifetime home for a dog. I agree with you, lots of people have kids that shouldn't. My two older children are adopted. One's mother abandoned her as a newborn under a bush near a hospital. The other's parents were incarcerated and he was removed from their home by the County. Sadly, the fate of unwanted dogs is still much worse than unwanted children.

And being "the grandson of so and so" means NOTHING. My 14yo dog that died in December was the grandson of my AKC Ch Zack was a UD, JH, WCX, VCX, Can. UD. His sire an Am. Can. Ch UD, WC, VCX, Can CDX and his dam was Am. Can. OTCH. with other multiple titles.

My Marsh (the grandson) was a sweet, beautiful, gentle dog with a remarkably beautiful head and astounding bone. His litter-sisters were Champions and UD's. All were OFA sound. But he didn't have the true movement, rock-solid topline, and biddablity. He was a nice dog, but still not worthy of adding his genes to the genepool.

Did you ever see the Walt Disney movie, "Homeward Bound"? Shadow was also Zack's son (three dogs played the part of Shadow). His real name was Tyler. He was the one that did all the swimming and jumping and all the cat scenes. The other two dogs hated the cat. He was the funniest, hammiest, absolutely beautiful, most biddable and trainable dog. But he had light eyes, shallow ribspring, long feet and wheat-gluten allergy. He was neutered too.

I was really blessed that my first purebred dog was NOT great. I bought her from a backyard breeder and showed and trained and trialed her, and of course I planned to breed her. But a good breeder advised me what I am advising you - to get the clearances before breeding her. She was dysplastic even tho she never took a lame step. I spayed her. It forced me to learn more and eventually I had the success and really great dogs in my program.

Not to change the subject, but since you mentioned it, I will say, that my kids and I enjoyed Homeward Bound very much when we watched it. Also, being the cat lover that I am, I found the cats comments to be hilarious and I think the voice was played by Sally Field. Anyway, were any of your other dogs the ones that starred in Air Bud?

[Denaluvscorgis]

Hi Cheyenne....welcome to GoCorgi. I have a female, 4 yr old, Sable Pembroke named Chloe. I also have a 4 yr old, smooth, red, male, tweenie Dachshund named Jackson Browne. It's nice to meet you!

[Bayoucorgi]

Cheyenne, no Tyler was dead by the time they made Air Bud. Sadly, the original Air Bud dog died of bone cancer. Tyler was also in the totally forgettable movie Prehysteria and the Ford Tempo commercial. In Prehysteria (where the dog raises the baby dinosaur) he missed a cue and instead of standing at the window and barking he jumped out of the window. Fortunately, someone caught him and he wasn't hurt.

[Dillydoodle]

not to be totally off the corgi topic, but one thing i have noticed is the alarming increase in cancer in Goldens...I remember as a kid my friends having 14 and 15 yr old Goldens, and now they all are getting cancer very young. You know in the 1 1/2 yrs that i was on www.petloss.com in the chat room with people, i met at least 50 people who lost their goldens -all to cancer...I heard thousands of people's stories about how they lost their beloved pets and with Goldens it was always to cancer, many at very young ages (the youngest was 2...most were between 5 and 8). It really makes me wonder why....

again, apologizing in advance for being off topic...

Emilie

[Delilah]

[quote=Bayoucorgi;22092]Did you ever see the Walt Disney movie, "Homeward Bound"? Shadow was also Zack's son (three dogs played the part of Shadow). His real name was Tyler. He was the one that did all the swimming and jumping and all the cat scenes. The other two dogs hated the cat. He was the funniest, hammiest, absolutely beautiful, most biddable and trainable dog. But he had light eyes, shallow ribspring, long feet and wheat-gluten allergy. He was neutered too.
QUOTE]

Which version? The original or the remake? I can't remember much about the first one (I was still young <in body!> then).

[Bayoucorgi]

Tyler was in the original Homeward Bound. If you look closely there is a longer haired reddish dog, a shorter faced reddish dog and a blond dog. Tyler was the lightest dog.

[Sizzledog]

I would politely l9ike to point out that there no no such thing as "Bavarian Bear" Rottweilers - it's a gimmick phrase, just like "King", "Estate" and "Warlock" Dobermans.

The website you posted shows pet Rotties, not breeding quality. Rottweilers are not suppsoed to be oversized, it's not a size that the breed was intended to be. The same applies to my breed (Dobermans) - they are a medim sized dog and should not be made to be anything else.

As for passing on genes... My Ilsa (doberman) is a daughter of a Top Twenty/Best in Show/Best in Specialty/ Award of Merit winning dog. Ilsa was spayed at eight months of age, she'll never pass on her genes. Ronin (doberman) is my show dog, sired by a wonderfully correct Champion, and his mother's sire is a Champion AND a performance titled dog (Schtuzhund). In all probability, Ronin will never be bred. Both dogs have proved worthy of protection, both have shown that they're willing to bite to protect me... still doesn't change the fact that neither will pass on their genes.

Lola does not have the correct Corgi temperament, and therefore should not be bred. Lord is oversized with no champions (performance or conformation, or even sport dogs) in his pedigree, so he should not be bred.