From South Dakota

[TheOtherStormy]

Hello hello! We are new. Our little guy is 9 months old. He is a purebred and we are thinking of letting him breed to interested people. We figure he should have a little fun in life! lol
Anyhoo, just introducing us.

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by TheOtherStormy

He is a purebred and we are thinking of letting him breed to interested people.

Most states have laws against that type of thing.

We figure he should have a little fun in life! lol

Not quite as much for them as you are anthromorphisizing it to be.

Welcome, and hope you learn a lot hanging out here.

Debbie

[TheOtherStormy]

lol, Well, maybe not people.... And by fun, I mean make cute little puppies for everyone to enjoy (including a buddy for him).

Thank you Debbie! Loving Corgis, I don't think there is a way to dislike this place!

[Michael Romanos]

You'll have to bring him to New Zealand - there are people here looking for a good quality and sound Corgi with an excellent background, for stud duties.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

You'll have to bring him to New Zealand - there are people here looking for a good quality and sound Corgi with an excellent background, for stud duties.

Which brings me to ask about his background, his pedigree. Are his parents Champions? Are they OFA certified? Do you show him? (Showing is a good way to determine his quality according to the standard.)

You want to breed him responsibly and those who are responsible/reputable breeders show their females and it's among show dogs that they look for the sires for thier litters. Those that don't show are causal breeders and just produce puppies to make extra money and don't do the healh tests, or attempt to breed to the standard. Not the type of females you'd want to be breeding your boy to.

Peggy

[TheOtherStormy]

My only concerns with breeding him is that all the puppies will have a home and that he has no relation to the female.
I've seen what happens to purebreds when they start to get a little too pure. I'd rather produce happy puppies for families than cranky ones.
His mom was and his dad "got it" [i]just[i] before we got him.

What's OFA? Sorry, this guy is new. Before him I just brought home little guys from work, most of them mutts.

[MyPemCharlie]

Originally Posted by TheOtherStormy

My only concerns with breeding him is that all the puppies will have a home and that he has no relation to the female.

I would have more concerns than that, having volunteered with our local SPCA shelter for a few years. Your puppies might all find homes, but for every puppy in the US who finds a home, six puppies end up in shelters and three of those six never get adopted and get put to sleep. This is my personal opinion, but I would feel totally irresponsible contributing to the pet overpopulation problem by breeding my "pet quality" dog. I prefer to leave the breeding to people who are interested in maintaining and improving the quality of our wonderful Corgis. If I wanted to breed, I would at minimum start with a show quality dog from a reputable breeder, show and do all the health testing.


What's OFA? Sorry, this guy is new. Before him I just brought home little guys from work, most of them mutts.[/quote]

From the Georgia Corgi Club website:

Hip Dysplasia (HD). Hip Dysplasia is where the femoral head doesn’t fit into the hip socket properly, and that can cripple a puppy when it’s only a few months old at it’s worst. Despite the claims of some breeders (“HD is
a problem in big dogs only...oh my lines don’t have that problem...it doesn’t affect Pembrokes much”) HD is a problem in the breed. The Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) found that 16.9% of Pembrokes who had
x-rays submitted for evaluation had hip dysplasia (based on data collected through 1998). That’s quite a lot, especially since x-rays that show hip problems rarely get submitted because the owner knows they won’t get a
passing OFA rating.

What’s an OFA rating? OFA rates dog hips as normal, excellent, good, fair, borderline, mild, moderate or severe. Normal (a rating that was only given when OFA first started rating hips), excellent, good, and fair are
passing ratings and the dog is given an OFA number if the dog is older than 2 yrs (age at which hips are quite stable). The other ratings are indicative of hip problems. A “Preliminary” (sometimes called “Prelim”) rating can
be given before 2 yrs of age, sometimes as early as 6 months, but usually not until the dog is 1 yr. “Preliminary” means that there is a chance that the rating may still change (for the better or worse) by the time the dog reaches 2 yrs of age. See the OFA information page on hip dysplasia (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) for more detailed information.

[jakort1]

Originally Posted by Peggy

Do you show him? (Showing is a good way to determine his quality according to the standard.)

You want to breed him responsibly and those who are responsible/reputable breeders show their females and it's among show dogs that they look for the sires for their litters.

Even if you don't show him, consider going to a few shows and get an idea of what it takes to make a champion. Learn to look at your dog critically. Some dogs just don't show well (Will's breeder told me this and so did another well known breeder) but before you breed a dog have a plan in mind of what outcome you want.

Another consideration is do you have full registration or limited registration on your dog. With limited you would not be able to register any litter produced.

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by TheOtherStormy

My only concerns with breeding him is that all the puppies will have a home and that he has no relation to the female.

Well, reputable breeders prefer to line breed. That means there is a common ancestor in the first three generations.

Dogs cannot become "too pure". That's a falacy pushed by the animal rights people.

I'd rather produce happy puppies for families than cranky ones.

Reputable breeders and here I mean those that show thier dogs, breed for temperment as well as looks (more honestly it's structure). They breed dogs that make wonderful pets, not "cranky" ones. You have more of a chance of getting a puppy with a poor temperment from a commercial breeder (one who breeds dogs to make money, usually more than one breed), a casual breeder, or when you buy from a pet store.

His mom was and his dad "got it" [i]just[i] before we got him.

What do you mean they "got it"?

What's OFA? Sorry, this guy is new. Before him I just brought home little guys from work, most of them mutts.

OFA - Orthapedic Foundation for Animals. They certify hips so that you know the dog you are breeding doesn't have hip dysplasia. Hip dysplasia is a crippling hip disease.

There's also eye checks to rule out genetic eye diseases and a test for von Wilderbrands disease. None of these are things your regular vet can screen for. Hip x rays need to be sent in to the OFA, eye checks need to be done by an ACVO vet (eye specialist) and the vWD test is a DNA test.

All things you need to know about before you even consider breeding your dog.

If you are going to breed you want to be a responsible breeder and produce puppies that have the least chance of having a genetic disease or condition. You want happy, healthy puppies with good temperments. There is a lot to learn before you offer your dog at stud.

Peggy

[Chip's Mom]

Well, reputable breeders prefer to line breed. That means there is a common ancestor in the first three generations. 

Do all reputable breeders line breed? What relations do they breed? How well do they know the history of the dogs that they breed? What research is done prior to choosing the pair?

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by TheOtherStormy

My only concerns with breeding him is that all the puppies will have a home and that he has no relation to the female.

To which Chris replied: "I would have more concerns than that, <snipped>"

And Chris hit the bulls eye with that.

As far as finding homes for all the puppies, you have no say or part in that. You are the stud dog owner, the owner of the female controls all the placings. As a stud dog owner, you get you stud fee whether it be $ or a puppy and you are out. That's just the role of the stud dog owner. So if all the "just in time for Christmas or Easter or whatever holiday, so every child can have a corgi puppy, puppies don't sell and the owner of the dam gets tired of cleaning up after them, he/she can dump them on rescue or in a shelter along the side of a road (it has happened); you aren't going to know. You aren't going to know about the puppy by your dog that the breeder sold to a young pregnant couple because they wanted a dog to grow up with their new baby decides raising a baby and a puppy is too much work and the puppy ends up at the pound. Nor will you know a couple years down the road when the young couple the breeder sold a puppy decide to have a child and the puppy sired by your dog doesn't like the baby and give it up. (I'm not making this stuff up, couldn't make it up -- seen it, heard it all in rescue. I'm betting you'd also be surprised at the number of corgis that do come up needing rescue assistance in South Dakota even with its limited population density.)

Now you can write up a stud contract and include clauses such as you have to approve all homes, which no one is going to sign. Or the responsible thing to do, a second right of refusal clause which means if a puppy sired by your dog for anytime in lifetime needs to find a new home and the breeder won't take it, then it can come to you; but that's all the say you are going to have.

As for the second part of your statement about wanting a total outcross breeding - no relation between you boy and that only shows a lack of knowledge and understanding about dog breeding.

I've seen what happens to purebreds when they start to get a little too pure.

Can you explain a little further what you mean by this as it is bollucks to me. You say you want a chip off the ol' block puppy just like your current puppy. Need to keep in mind, he's still a puppy too and that not all of his personality/temperament has come out yet; at 18 months, you might see some dramatic changes and at 2 years of age he may not be the same as the puppy he is now. Breeding him to any female corgi that happens to take you up on your offer of stud isn't going to make that happen. Temperament is very much inherited, so her temperament as well as all the corgis behind her and all those behind your boy are going to come into play. You have no idea if one of them had to be put down due to rage syndrome or if shyness is strong or how many of them had harder edge temperaments.

Now I've got what you are dreaming of in my house. I have a boy that is so much like his sire in temperament and personality, it is eerie. How that happened is that Munchee's grandmother on his dad's side is a littermate to his great grandmother on his dam's side. With the exception of the rescue Cardigan, all the half dozen or so Cardigans in my house go back to one Cardigan female. By carefully line breeding, out crossing and line breeding again, I have predictability - I know what faults and issues to watch out for and can plan breedings accordingly. What one has when doing nothing but out crossing is not much better than two random Heinz 57's making puppies.

I'd rather produce happy puppies for families than cranky ones.
His mom was and his dad "got it" [i]just[i] before we got him.

"Got what?" On the above statement I am going to proceed with the presumption that you are wanting to make sound puppies - sound meaning both in health and in temperament. Now how can you conscientiously and responsibly offer you puppy at stud when you don't know the major health concerns in the breed or how to test for them?

What's OFA? Sorry, this guy is new. Before him I just brought home little guys from work, most of them mutts.

Pop quiz time: What are the two other health screenings commonly done by responsible PWC breeders? You now have heard of hip dysplasia and OFA, there are two more.

As far as letting your guy have some "fun" by making puppies, need to get your head out of the testosterone potty humour, dogs don't have sex for pleasure, nor is it fun - they are acting on primal instincts and IF they never breed it doesn't matter to them. You also risk him contracting brucellosis if you don't have him tested and whatever female he is going to be bred to tested. Injuries can be sustained during a tie.

In spite of what Michael might wish or think, no one who has the caliber and quality of corgi that those looking for stud dogs in NZ have in mind are going to be trying to stud their dog out on Go Corgi. It just simply isn't done.

Debbie