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Redwolf · 02-11-2006, 11:53 AM

I'm new and I just love the corgi, but I'm trying to find one for our home. I'm hoping to have a loveable bundle soon.

Michael Romanos · 02-11-2006, 04:08 PM

Welcome to the GoCorgi bunch.

It's amazing, but if you're looking for a Corgi, perhaps even I can help.
I need to know if you want a Pem or a Cardi, a pup or an older dog, female or male. Where you exactly live - nearest prominent city and state. And most importantly, are you seeking a Corgi from a respected breeder who can go along way towards guaranteeing a puppy with sound conformation, no bad heriditary traits and a good temperament.

Jane Austen · 02-11-2006, 04:54 PM

I wish Redwolf the best of luck getting a corgi to bring into your family.
When an individual can adopt or rescue a corgi it is equally satisfying. I find a grown animal has more personality to bring into the mix. They have more good and bad habits too. There are no garrauntees of how a dog will develop whether you get it as a puppy or an adult. I hope this makes sense to someone. I feel adopting is a commitment for life.

Michael Romanos · 02-12-2006, 01:24 AM

In all honesty, ,why would anyone recommend a Corgi unaccounted for and probably carrying baggage, over one presumably with everything in place. There is infinitely less of a lottery in obtaining a puppy from a careful breeder who knows the history of the Corgis parents and grandparents etc. Sentiment is fine up to a point. If I found a loveable Corgi in dire straits, I'd want to find him/her a good home too.

Cardiguy · 02-12-2006, 07:53 AM

A rescue vs a puppy from a responsible breeder is on the surface a no brainer as you described. But looking deeper into motivations, some people can derive such satisfaction out of rescuing a dog that it makes up for the baggage that the dog might have. Unfortunately I, myself, am probably too selfish to be that kind of person as I selected a puppy from a reputable breeder vs. a rescue.

Redwolf · 02-13-2006, 12:28 PM

Breeders vs rescue. I've come across several rescues, but I'm having a kind of dilemma. I'm mostly looking for a dog that has a personality, but I've thought about getting into breeding (this is a serious consideration). The Cardi is my favorite over the Pem, but I know that the Pem is more popular.

Michael Romanos · 02-13-2006, 02:42 PM

In a nutshell, the Cardi is more "sensible" and more refined in reacting than a Pem - and that is probably major reasons why the Pem is by far the more popular of the Corgis. Overall, The Pem has a more expansive personality because of these factor in comparison to the Cardi. It's a bit like the comparison between a Jack Russell and a Fox Terrier - but not such a stark contrast.

Cardiguy · 02-14-2006, 06:38 AM

Have to respectfully disagree with your reasoning why the Pem is more popular than the Cardi. The overriding reason IMHO is that the Pem is available in pet shops, while you never see a Cardi in a pet shop. The reason the Pem is in pet shops is because it is more popular (little bit of a catch 22) and will sell while the Cardi has for the most part not left the reputable breeder mode of distribution. A second reason is, I think, the fact that the Queen has Pems does influence sales. I do agree with your analysis that the Cardi is more sensible and refined in their reactions, but I don't think it has as much to do with popularity as you do.

Michael Romanos · 02-14-2006, 05:08 PM

Hi Cadiguy
It's not just in the USA that the Pems dominate the Corgi world, but in every country that I know of. In New Zealand and Australia for instance where Pems are not sold in pet shops, there are comparatively very few Cardis. The Queen of Britain/ England factor is not as great as you think. Her influence may have been in alerting some of the public all those years ago, that Corgis exist per se and are an option, but it's the general public that have opted for Pems instead of Cardis over the last 40 years or so. If the Queen of England was so influential, why is it that Corgis fit nowhere in the picture when it comes to the worlds most popular breed of dog - the Labrador. In Wales, of course,the home of the Corgi, Pems also constitute the majority Corgi.
Mind you, if you presented the next President of the USA with a Cardigan Corgi or two and she/he was seen often to display love and affection towards them, then it might just be a catalyst for more Corgi demand in the USA and more activity on the Cardi front. President Johnston (spelling?) had a Beagle when he was Pres - did that popularise Beagles in the USA to any great extent?

Cardiguy · 02-15-2006, 11:49 AM

Actually President Johnson was not a good model for dog ownership as the only instance that I can recall of him being in the news regarding his beagles
was when there was an article about him pulling his beagle's ears and I think he was with his beagle when he showed the press his scar from his appendix operation. Loving and affectionate he was not.

Interesting to hear that Pems are not sold in pet shops in NZ and Australia as I would not have guessed that was the case. I am biased toward the Cardi because that is the corgi I have and in my biased opinion the Cardi is at least on par with the Pem and sales should have been more equal. Good material for a debate-Cardi vs. Pem!! Thanks for the response.

Michael Romanos · 02-15-2006, 03:13 PM

Hi Cardiguy
There is often no logic in people's preference or trend. That one breed is more popular than another is often no reason for bypassing the lesser.
It could be that the rarest breed of dog in the world is actually the best for the majority of people.
I myself see beauty in a Corgi that many others don't. I wouldn't want to be a dad to a less attractive dog. And I find that Pems overall are more showy than Cardis. But that's only in my mind. In New Zealand and Australia, Pems came up large in the 1970s and 1980s but carried along by the backyard breeding brigade and some inauspicious breeders, Pems got a reputation for being unstable and nervous which sometimes creates unfriendly attitudes to people- especially children and other dogs - and their popularity waned. But things here have changed with the careful breeders coming through and the Pem have been greatly improved overall in temperament. Meanwhile Cardis have stayed the same more even natured but not reaching any zenith of popularity.

I recall your Pres Johnson getting into a little hotwater in his lifting his Beagle by the dog's ears - an accepted practice by some Beagle handlers. I have seen people lift up Corgi puppies - several months old - by the scruff of their necks - and I most certainly don't like it. A vet once did that to a previous Corgi of mine - and I never went back to him. All of the Corgis I saw getting picked up this way showed discomfort towards it.

Cardiguy · 02-15-2006, 07:21 PM

Well Michael we added a little life to this website and I hope some people pick up on it and this forum grows as the site is layed out very nicely, just needs some more visitors.

Michael Romanos · 02-16-2006, 01:25 AM

Hey Cardiguy, have you ran out of steam? Cardigans are not as quick as Pems. Maybe its that tail - a bit like dragging the chain, eh.

Cardiguy · 02-16-2006, 12:48 PM

Ok Michael, you asked for it- my Cardi pride is taking over. The Cardi is a little bigger (not higher but longer and slightly bigger boned), the Cardi face is less fox like, has a tail (a dog without a tail is like a ship without a rudder), comes in more and varied colors (no merles in Pem land), is an older breed, has bigger ears and just has more of what we physically like in a Corgi. Personality wise he is steadier, more loyal, uses more discretion regarding the giving of favors, and a little more laid back. In fact I will now reveal to all who are interested my pro Cardi slogan which is "For those in the know, the Cardi is the way to go" I will now await your feeble rebuttal. (all in fun of course).

Michael Romanos · 02-16-2006, 02:37 PM

Hi Cardiguy
You've just presented the most outstanding advertisement for Cardis that I have ever seen. You've exposed the ancientness of this tailed breed in such a way, that's it's trully incredible. Talk about tales...... When Moses went out to the mountain top to receive the 10 commandments from God, he was not alone. A Cardi had guided him up the hill. Of course it was in Wales and the hill was Mt Clynithdywellyn in Cardiganshire. They (the Cardis) have kept the faith ever since to the extent that Noah had a boat full of Cardigan Corgis when the rains came down and that's why we have no dinosaurs today.

What can I say? Pems are like a fast lady by comparison - prettier and more revved up for action.

02-11-2006, 11:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
Redwolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3	New I'm new and I just love the corgi, but I'm trying to find one for our home. I'm hoping to have a loveable bundle soon.

02-13-2006, 02:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	In a nutshell, the Cardi is more "sensible" and more refined in reacting than a Pem - and that is probably major reasons why the Pem is by far the more popular of the Corgis. Overall, The Pem has a more expansive personality because of these factor in comparison to the Cardi. It's a bit like the comparison between a Jack Russell and a Fox Terrier - but not such a stark contrast. Last edited by Michael Romanos; 02-14-2006 at 04:33 PM.

02-11-2006, 04:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	Welcome to the GoCorgi bunch. It's amazing, but if you're looking for a Corgi, perhaps even I can help. I need to know if you want a Pem or a Cardi, a pup or an older dog, female or male. Where you exactly live - nearest prominent city and state. And most importantly, are you seeking a Corgi from a respected breeder who can go along way towards guaranteeing a puppy with sound conformation, no bad heriditary traits and a good temperament.

02-11-2006, 04:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jane Austen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: .Massachusetts Posts: 802	I wish Redwolf the best of luck getting a corgi to bring into your family. When an individual can adopt or rescue a corgi it is equally satisfying. I find a grown animal has more personality to bring into the mix. They have more good and bad habits too. There are no garrauntees of how a dog will develop whether you get it as a puppy or an adult. I hope this makes sense to someone. I feel adopting is a commitment for life.

02-12-2006, 01:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	In all honesty, ,why would anyone recommend a Corgi unaccounted for and probably carrying baggage, over one presumably with everything in place. There is infinitely less of a lottery in obtaining a puppy from a careful breeder who knows the history of the Corgis parents and grandparents etc. Sentiment is fine up to a point. If I found a loveable Corgi in dire straits, I'd want to find him/her a good home too.

02-12-2006, 07:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cardiguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 250 Images: 6	A rescue vs a puppy from a responsible breeder is on the surface a no brainer as you described. But looking deeper into motivations, some people can derive such satisfaction out of rescuing a dog that it makes up for the baggage that the dog might have. Unfortunately I, myself, am probably too selfish to be that kind of person as I selected a puppy from a reputable breeder vs. a rescue.

02-13-2006, 12:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Redwolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3	Breeders vs rescue. I've come across several rescues, but I'm having a kind of dilemma. I'm mostly looking for a dog that has a personality, but I've thought about getting into breeding (this is a serious consideration). The Cardi is my favorite over the Pem, but I know that the Pem is more popular.

02-14-2006, 06:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cardiguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 250 Images: 6	Have to respectfully disagree with your reasoning why the Pem is more popular than the Cardi. The overriding reason IMHO is that the Pem is available in pet shops, while you never see a Cardi in a pet shop. The reason the Pem is in pet shops is because it is more popular (little bit of a catch 22) and will sell while the Cardi has for the most part not left the reputable breeder mode of distribution. A second reason is, I think, the fact that the Queen has Pems does influence sales. I do agree with your analysis that the Cardi is more sensible and refined in their reactions, but I don't think it has as much to do with popularity as you do.

02-14-2006, 05:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	Hi Cadiguy It's not just in the USA that the Pems dominate the Corgi world, but in every country that I know of. In New Zealand and Australia for instance where Pems are not sold in pet shops, there are comparatively very few Cardis. The Queen of Britain/ England factor is not as great as you think. Her influence may have been in alerting some of the public all those years ago, that Corgis exist per se and are an option, but it's the general public that have opted for Pems instead of Cardis over the last 40 years or so. If the Queen of England was so influential, why is it that Corgis fit nowhere in the picture when it comes to the worlds most popular breed of dog - the Labrador. In Wales, of course,the home of the Corgi, Pems also constitute the majority Corgi. Mind you, if you presented the next President of the USA with a Cardigan Corgi or two and she/he was seen often to display love and affection towards them, then it might just be a catalyst for more Corgi demand in the USA and more activity on the Cardi front. President Johnston (spelling?) had a Beagle when he was Pres - did that popularise Beagles in the USA to any great extent?

02-15-2006, 11:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Cardiguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 250 Images: 6	Actually President Johnson was not a good model for dog ownership as the only instance that I can recall of him being in the news regarding his beagles was when there was an article about him pulling his beagle's ears and I think he was with his beagle when he showed the press his scar from his appendix operation. Loving and affectionate he was not. Interesting to hear that Pems are not sold in pet shops in NZ and Australia as I would not have guessed that was the case. I am biased toward the Cardi because that is the corgi I have and in my biased opinion the Cardi is at least on par with the Pem and sales should have been more equal. Good material for a debate-Cardi vs. Pem!! Thanks for the response.

02-15-2006, 03:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	Hi Cardiguy There is often no logic in people's preference or trend. That one breed is more popular than another is often no reason for bypassing the lesser. It could be that the rarest breed of dog in the world is actually the best for the majority of people. I myself see beauty in a Corgi that many others don't. I wouldn't want to be a dad to a less attractive dog. And I find that Pems overall are more showy than Cardis. But that's only in my mind. In New Zealand and Australia, Pems came up large in the 1970s and 1980s but carried along by the backyard breeding brigade and some inauspicious breeders, Pems got a reputation for being unstable and nervous which sometimes creates unfriendly attitudes to people- especially children and other dogs - and their popularity waned. But things here have changed with the careful breeders coming through and the Pem have been greatly improved overall in temperament. Meanwhile Cardis have stayed the same more even natured but not reaching any zenith of popularity. I recall your Pres Johnson getting into a little hotwater in his lifting his Beagle by the dog's ears - an accepted practice by some Beagle handlers. I have seen people lift up Corgi puppies - several months old - by the scruff of their necks - and I most certainly don't like it. A vet once did that to a previous Corgi of mine - and I never went back to him. All of the Corgis I saw getting picked up this way showed discomfort towards it.

02-15-2006, 07:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cardiguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 250 Images: 6	Well Michael we added a little life to this website and I hope some people pick up on it and this forum grows as the site is layed out very nicely, just needs some more visitors.

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02-16-2006, 01:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	Hey Cardiguy, have you ran out of steam? Cardigans are not as quick as Pems. Maybe its that tail - a bit like dragging the chain, eh.

02-16-2006, 12:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Cardiguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 250 Images: 6	Ok Michael, you asked for it- my Cardi pride is taking over. The Cardi is a little bigger (not higher but longer and slightly bigger boned), the Cardi face is less fox like, has a tail (a dog without a tail is like a ship without a rudder), comes in more and varied colors (no merles in Pem land), is an older breed, has bigger ears and just has more of what we physically like in a Corgi. Personality wise he is steadier, more loyal, uses more discretion regarding the giving of favors, and a little more laid back. In fact I will now reveal to all who are interested my pro Cardi slogan which is "For those in the know, the Cardi is the way to go" I will now await your feeble rebuttal. (all in fun of course).

02-16-2006, 02:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Michael Romanos Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Silverstream (near Wellington, the capital of NZ) Posts: 4,901 Images: 2	Hi Cardiguy You've just presented the most outstanding advertisement for Cardis that I have ever seen. You've exposed the ancientness of this tailed breed in such a way, that's it's trully incredible. Talk about tales...... When Moses went out to the mountain top to receive the 10 commandments from God, he was not alone. A Cardi had guided him up the hill. Of course it was in Wales and the hill was Mt Clynithdywellyn in Cardiganshire. They (the Cardis) have kept the faith ever since to the extent that Noah had a boat full of Cardigan Corgis when the rains came down and that's why we have no dinosaurs today. What can I say? Pems are like a fast lady by comparison - prettier and more revved up for action.