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Peggy · 12-16-2007, 09:42 PM

Do you mean The Fédération Cynologique Internationale? The US is not a member
FCI - Member countries

Peggy

Michael Romanos · 12-16-2007, 09:46 PM

The USA are an affiliated (paying) member of at least the much smaller of the two international organisations (they are not clubs). Two of the other members from memory are Russia and Australia. Every country in the world with an interest in organised canine recreational and sporting activities are part of one or both these world bodies and pay their respective dues.

Peggy · 12-16-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

The USA are an affiliated (paying) member of at least the much smaller of the two international organisations (they are not clubs). Two of the other members from memory are Russia and Australia. Every country in the world with an interest in organised canine recreational and sporting activities are part of one or both these world bodies and pay their respective dues.

Which orginizations are these? Do you have web sites?

And no, I do not believe the US takes part in these orginizations. I do not belive the US pays dues to have shows in the US. Maybe for the International shows, but those are few and far between in the US and the AKC is not afflilated with or takes part in those.

Tell me the names so I can at least do some searching.

Peggy

MyPemCharlie · 12-17-2007, 10:03 AM

Well, the two of you got me curious, just because I love to learn "stuff". LOL

Of interest is the UCI, based in Germany, an international dog organization with United States member IABCA (International All Breed Canine Association). The IABCA hosts international shows in the United States, so that the dogs don't have to travel abroad, but can earn international show titles in European Style Conformation.

UCI link (Germany):
Union Cynologie International e. V. (UCI e.V.)
IABCA link (US Branch of UCI):
http://www.iabca.com/index.html

Anyway, sorry this thread is getting off-topic of Corgi's being easy to raise, but that is interesting.

And back on topic, I agree with others that a Corgi is not "everyone's" breed. Charlie is "easy" for me...but I like a high-spirited, somewhat independent, somewhat challenging working dog.

Peggy · 12-17-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MyPemCharlie

Well, the two of you got me curious, just because I love to learn "stuff". LOL

Of interest is the UCI, based in Germany, an international dog organization with United States member IABCA (International All Breed Canine Association). The IABCA hosts international shows in the United States, so that the dogs don't have to travel abroad, but can earn international show titles in European Style Conformation.

UCI link (Germany):
Union Cynologie International e. V. (UCI e.V.)
IABCA link (US Branch of UCI):
http://www.iabca.com/index.html

Anyway, sorry this thread is getting off-topic of Corgi's being easy to raise, but that is interesting.

Thanks Chris. I know it got off topic, but it caught my intrest too. As I was sure that the AKC wasn't a member of any other orginization. I knew the US had one regestry that held international shows and that it was involved with the international orginization, but that's the only one in the US that is. None of the others are and the US as a whole is not a member or of affiliated with these orginizations.

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And back on topic, I agree with others that a Corgi is not "everyone's" breed. Charlie is "easy" for me...but I like a high-spirited, somewhat independent, somewhat challenging working dog.

Peggy

Michael Romanos · 12-17-2007, 04:42 PM

Peggy - you have the wrong end of the stick - the international canine federations are not to do with particular shows or meetings/events in a member's country per se, but are member country groupings just like the International Olympic Committee and the United Nations Organisation. Don't tell me the USA is not a member of these too.

Peggy · 12-17-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Peggy - you have the wrong end of the stick - the international canine federations are not to do with particular shows or meetings/events in a member's country per se, but are member country groupings just like the International Olympic Committee and the United Nations Organisation. Don't tell me the USA is not a member of these too.

The International Olympic Committee and the Untied Nations are completly different. And yes, the USA is part of those. You are now comparing apples and oranges.

The USA is not part of the international canine orginizations other than the one Chris pointed out. The canine orginizations in the US are indpendent and not part of the internataional orginizations.

How about if we drop this? It's getting us nowhere. I would not think to tell you how or what any canine orginizations in NZ are a part of because I have no idea. I don't think you are in a position to tell us here in the US what canine orginizations our groups are involved in.

Peggy

Michael Romanos · 12-17-2007, 05:35 PM

Ahhh, Peggy - I wouldn't advise you to bet your house on it (me not in the know about international canine organisations involving the USA).

Peggy · 12-17-2007, 05:38 PM

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Ahhh, Peggy - I wouldn't advise you to bet your house on it (me not in the know about international canine organisations involving the USA).

Well, first off I don't own a house and I don't bet. Second, if you know so much about them why don't you give me some proof? Names of the orginizatons, web sites? I ask for those yearsterday. I not willing to take your word for it, I'm going to need proof, as the one Chris mentioned is the only one I'm aware of.

Peggy

MyPemCharlie · 12-17-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Peggy - you have the wrong end of the stick - the international canine federations are not to do with particular shows or meetings/events in a member's country per se, but are member country groupings just like the International Olympic Committee and the United Nations Organisation. Don't tell me the USA is not a member of these too.

Well I for one am confused. The UCI was the only world organization I was able to find, which had a US branch organization. It looks like that group is all about showing and international titling of pure bred dogs.

The other world organization which you two (Peggy & Michael) already brought up, is the FCI, which the US does not have a branch or association.

There are several international dog registries (versus organizations) where an individual dog owner may be able to register their dog in another country as a purebred, but the AKC registry is stand alone and would not be paying fees to another registry. Those are individual owner registrations.

I did read that the AKC was invited to attend the 2007 World Dog Show held in Mexico earlier this year, but that was a one time event which did not require any "membership".

Anyway, as stated, I'm now confused. Michael could you clarify your point and list the organizations or groupings you are referring to? Otherwise, I'm completely lost as to the relevance of this discussion.

Michael Romanos · 12-17-2007, 06:47 PM

I took the trouble to back on the articles I wrote which included references to the two world canine feds. And they are a little confusing. First up, there is only one all-embracing international canine organisation worthy of its name and that is the FCI (World Canine Federation). Formed in 1911, FCI has 84 member countries and recognises 335 dog breeds. FCI also deals with dog sports and the world agility champs are staged under its name. But the FCI does not allow mixed bred dogs to participate.
In the 1990s the IFCS (International Federation of Canine Sports) was formed and has 16 country members including the USA. The IFCS also stages world agility champs - last year they were held in the Netherlands and a couple of friends of mine attended the champs which are open to both pure bred and mixed bred dogs.
So that's the two world organisations I was referring to. Several countries are members of both. There is one organisation called the FIC (Federation of International Canines) which recognises over 400 dog breeds.
NZ follows FCI as a member (among with such countries as Australia, Ireland, Mexico, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, South Africa, Italy, Russia etc, etc and recognises 335.

Peggy · 12-17-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

I took the trouble to back on the articles I wrote which included references to the two world canine feds. And they are a little confusing. First up, there is only one all-embracing international canine organisation worthy of its name and that is the FCI (World Canine Federation). Formed in 1911, FCI has 84 member countries and recognises 335 dog breeds. FCI also deals with dog sports and the world agility champs are staged under its name. But the FCI does not allow mixed bred dogs to participate.
In the 1990s the IFCS (International Federation of Canine Sports) was formed and has 16 country members including the USA. The IFCS also stages world agility champs - last year they were held in the Netherlands and a couple of friends of mine attended the champs which are open to both pure bred and mixed bred dogs.
So that's the two world organisations I was referring to. Several countries are members of both. There is one organisation called the FIC (Federation of International Canines) which recognises over 400 dog breeds.
NZ follows FCI as a member (among with such countries as Australia, Ireland, Mexico, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, South Africa, Italy, Russia etc, etc and recognises 335.

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