Death by dog

[Chip's Mom]

I'll bet there isn't a purebred or mixed breed dog that isn't loved by someone.

[Michael Romanos]

Who gets to choose which breeds of dogs we don't need? Why the Governments of course and perhaps the two world canine organisations and then there are the national canine organisations in each country.
NZ and Australian Governments have banned several breeds of dogs, the national canine organisations of both countries do not recognise certain breeds of dogs as legitimate ( eg American Pit Bull Terriers).

Just today in the local metro newspaper I read that a little Jack Riussel was killed by two Pit Bulls in coming to the defence of five children aged under 11. The Pit Bulls, on the loose, had come from behind to attack one of the group - a five year old - and the little JR - not connected with any of the kids - rushed out and distracted the Pit Bulls. The JR who was owned by a lonely elderly man for the last seven years, is regarded as a hero and is sure to be given a posthumous civil award.

Now in the past week in NZ we have Pit Bulls at three different locations- all owned by probably despictable people - kill a woman, send an 8 year old boy to hospital with several bad bites having also bit a fiteen year old girl, and kill a JR while attacking five kids. All were unprovoked attacks.

[PaulaK]

Yeah - Governments are not enforcing laws already in place (responsible ownership - if leash laws were upheld there would be no loose dogs attacking) and canine organizations cannot control backyard breeding and puppy mills (which would cut down or eliminate bad temperaments).
AND are the so-called pit bulls purebred or mix breeds? What about the Rottweiler, police dog and Doberman bites that also happened recently in NZ?
A ban is a simple solution to a complex problem but isn't that the way of the world now? Take the easy way out.
Paula

[Chip's Mom]

That is so sad about the jack russell. I wish there was an easy solution to this problem but I don't know what it is. Pitbulls are illegal in some parts of the country here and not allowed. We had a pack of dogs including a rottie, lab mix, that killed a baby goat before the owners could get to it and the goat was tied in it's own yard. Nothing was ever done to the dogs or the owners. It depends on each state here.

[Michael Romanos]

A Rottie in New Zealand recently did some damage to a woman''s face.
Most Pit Bulls here are not pure bred anymore because breeding them is banned. But if the dogs are Pit Bill crosses there is currently no ban. How can you always tell if a dog is a Pit Bull cross - 75% PB, 50% PB, 33% PB, 25% PB?
Personnaly I am not a fan of any dog breed that has a tendancy towards aggressiveness with Corgis that I have owned and I steer clear of Rotties, Dobermans, Ridgebacks, Boxers, German Shepherds, Mastiffs of all types, breeds with Bull in their names apart from English and French Bulldogs, Great Danes, St Bernards. Huskies, Malamutes, Kerry Blue Terriers, Sharpeis. I am sure this list is incomplete. Note that not one of these breeds is smaller than a Boxer and Sharpei

[glencorgi]

Originally Posted by Michael Romanos

Who gets to choose which breeds of dogs we don't need? Why the Governments of course and perhaps the two world canine organisations and then there are the national canine organisations in each country.

I really hope this is one of those times you being facetious is not coming through via the written word. Need I remind you how well Italy did with the list of "dangerous" dogs their government came up with and you want to trust a government to decide which dogs you or I "need"? and/or choose to live with?

In light of that, this seems most appropriate here:

The Last Dog
By Lidia Seebeck

The report came in slowly from Muddy Gap, Wyoming.
Someone had spotted a dog
sniffing around his house in the bitter cold of a
Wyoming winter. The
person was quite sure that this was a dog, not a wolf.
No, of course he
didnt secretly own the dog. That had been banned long
ago, of course. This
dog seemed to appear out of the blizzard itself one
cold night, scaring his
daughter silly.

Of course the animal was transferred to the
authorities. It was determined
that yes, indeed, this person really had found a dog,
and only its somewhat
feral behavior kept the land-dweller from being
prosecuted for animal
slavery. This dog had clearly been in the wild for
some time. Everyone knew
that for the last five years only the police, search
and rescue, and a few
charitable hospices and the like were allowed dogs,
and the last one, a
Yorkshire Terrier, had died last year. There was a
funeral and everything,
and many experts from the animal rights movement
hailed the end of canine
slavery.

***
It hadn't always been that way, of course. Long ago,
around the millennium,
people often owned and bred dogs, and sometimes they
ended up in shelters.
Unfortunately the dogs that ended up in shelters were
sometimes euthanized.
Well, some people didnt like this. So they began to
change the laws. First
they banned dogs that were considered dangerous like
Bull Terriers and
Dobermans. Unfortunately sometimes docile breeds got
mixed up into this,
like the Greyhound, who was eventually maligned due to
the muzzle it once
wore while racing around a track. Predictably, the
whole practice of racing
the dogs was banned as being too cruel and the dogs
were executed wholesale,
being unadoptable due to the laws. Greyhound lovers,
or Greyters, were
broken hearted and tried to tell the authorities that
the Greyhounds were
good dogs, gentle with kids and loving even to
strangers. But they were soon
locked up, having been prosecuted for animal slavery.

Another one of the milestones had to have been the
passage of Californias
Healthy Pets Law, which mandated spaying and neutering
for nearly all dogs
except the most pampered of show animals. People were
outraged but the law
passed anyways, in an effort to reduce the shelter
population. Many
Californians were aghast that people were doing
backyard breeding, and
others were just mad that animals were still getting
killed. Eventually this
became the American Spay and Neuter Law, which
mandated spaying and
neutering for all animals not involved in police or
search and rescue. The
next ten years or so saw the canine population growing
old, and more breeds
being executed wholesale as they were deemed
dangerous. Too late, people
realized that very docile breeds were getting
declared, and they began to
question the wisdom of breed-specific legislation. By
then even the young
dogs were eight or so, and many were rapidly dying of
old age, at least in
the larger breeds,

***
The dog in Muddy Gap had been transferred to a
facility in Laramie where a
police dog academy still stood, unused. The dog was
soon deluged with
donations from around the country of old kibble and
soft blankets that had
cushioned their canine seniors. Animal lovers came in
from around the
country to the chance to see and cuddle with the dog.
Lucky soon responded
to the attention, which everyone insisted on.

This dog was clearly quite old, having a very gray
muzzle and face.
Surprisingly, this dog was also clearly part Mastiff,
which was one of the
breeds to be Declared rather early on. Some dogs had
been preserved as
police dogs, however, so this dog was probably the
offspring of one of those
dogs. It had numerous abrasions and bite marks, and it
was theorized that
the dog had probably had to fight and hunt a lot to
stay alive. No one
really knew of course.

***
As the War on Dogs continued, canine slavery became
quite the hot topic, and
there were two distinct camps of dog owners and former
owners. The first was
that dogs were nice to have around, but utterly
miserable and it was good
that they had mostly been euthanized. The other camp
believed something
quite different, They honestly believed that dogs were
pack animals and
honestly didn't mind the direction of a dog owner,
rather relishing the
leadership the owner provided and basking in the love
the owner gave. As
such they felt that canine ownership (and they were
very unhappy with the
term "slavery") was an ethical thing, and well worth
the trouble of
pursuing. Unfortunately this viewpoint was rapidly
becoming illegal, and
there were numerous people in prison for canine
slavery. There were also a
number of people who lived in the back of beyond who
were breeding dogs
beyond the reach of authorities. In the days when
breeding was more common,
these people such as coyote-dog breeders, were
relatively few and far
between. The shift in laws had increased their
numbers, and now even
responsible breeders were hiding out, hoping to save
the last of their lines
until the political storm broke. While some of these
people persisted for a
few years, it was rather easy to find a kennel full of
barking dogs when all
the other registered dogs were gone. Soon even these
people fell to the
insatiable sweep of the War on Dogs.

The number of dogs in America had been rapidly
dropping and was now at
5,673. Mostly these were police and rescue dogs, with
a precious 10 or 15
dogs who served as roving servants, transported from
hospice to nursing home
to hospital to comfort the ailing. Still, the
occasional dog would show up
and be pressed into one of the allowed professions, or
else euthanized. (For
some reason, euthanasia was now viewed as the greatest
gift ever, when it
was euthanasia which had started the legal avalanche
in the first place)

***
Lucky was not doing well in captivity. He had suddenly
developed a fever,
and there was no legal veterinarian anymore, since
they had all been out of
practice for years. Former vets clustered around him
and tried to remember
what to do. They gave him all manner of potions and
antibiotics but these
only gave Lucky a really nasty attitude and equally
nasty gastric
disturbances. With every hour it was clear the poor
old fella was dying.

The nation turned in their televisions to watch,
hourly updates, and the
debate on dog keeping began to be opened once again.
People reminisced about
their dogs when they were young, and remembered good
times at the dog beach
or at the dog park. The talk of allowing dogs once
again raged just as badly
as poor Luckys fever. His health declined quickly, and
within a few days he
was on the brink of death. Some news stations had
completely stopped
reporting on anything other than Lucky and the dog
debate.. As his last
sputtering breaths were captured live and transmitted
around the world,
people started to call their Legislators, asking to
please, please not let
Lucky be the last American dog. Unfortunately, things
had gone too far, this
was too little and too late.

Lucky truly became the last American dog..


Debbie

[TNCorgi]

I think there are folks who can make arguements for all of those breeds. I really believe it is in the breeder and owners hands to insure that the dogs whatever kind they are are not able to hurt folks. My dad raises boxers and they are wonderful kind sweet dogs. I would trust them with my kids but they are handled from birth and raised in a loving nurturing environment. I just think you have to be a well educated dog owner. Am I gonna own a pitbull= no cause I dont know how to handle one and I am scared of them but that doesnt mean they are all bad. JMHO

[Michael Romanos]

Debbie- you have a very good point.
After several days pondering this matter, I have reached some conclusions.

There has been yet another Pit Bull attack in New Zealand. This one involved two Pit Bulls attacking two little kids, ripping the tshirt of one of them and a passing by woman coming to their rescue, she ran off with the Pit Bulls chasing her and she sustained several bites.

Now here is the story.

Most of these Pit Bull attacks are from Pit Bills owned by scumbag owners. It asn't too long ago that scumbag dog owners owned Rotties, German Shepherds, Dobermans, Ridgebacks, Mastiffs and Bull Terriers. But Pit Bulls suit them best at present.
Get rid of Pit Bulls and these bad owners and scumbags will focus on another breed or other breeds. The only thing about Pit Bulls and most Bull type dogs and Boxers, is that they don't respond to human instructions as much as other breeds. So when they grab violently or stalk to attack - they don't always let go.
So by all means restrict the access to Pit Bulls and the like but there has got be some kind of licencing that will prevent scumbag owners from owning potentially dangerous dogs. No potentially dangerous breed is smaller than a Boxer or a Sharpei.