Puppy Mills

[darci]

Edited to delete this post.

[darci]

Sorry for the (sp) on the thread puppy.... I tried to go back and edit but it had been too long.

[corgimom]

http://www.lowellsun.com/letters/ci_4196072

And I will also add this link if you don't mind Cindy

[darci]

Fantastic link Linda, thank you so much for adding it.

Hunte is the broker that sold Darci to the pet store.

[corgimom]

I am sure they ship to Wisconsin's Petlands stores...I wonder if Nikki has heard about Hunte in her state?

[Corgis'R4me]

Originally Posted by corgimom

I am sure they ship to Wisconsin's Petlands stores...I wonder if Nikki has heard about Hunte in her state?

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*~* I am going to do a search to LEARN MORE about the company.

CRAZY.......

Ya know...I never knew about Puppy Mills until I found gocorgi !!
I was ignorant...I did NOT know.

** I could never breed a dog..more than ONCE ! As a mother, myself, I could NOT imagine watching my babies go. Even IF they separate the mother from her puppies....she still knows that they are no longer there ! Then, to have her body go through another heat cycle and get pregnant again...is just rough IMO.

However, I never would have gotten Midnight & Sunshine...if their mothere didn't get pregnant ! I just think that to breed MORE THAN ONCE for one individual dog....MUST BE HARD for her physically & also emotionally.
More emotionally.....BECAUSE she watches her babies go !

*~* Nikki

[tandemgal]

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[Fluffypants]

Don't feel bad Nikki - I never heard of them either.
I agree T-Gal, it's disgusting how they treat their dogs & puppies.

[Chip's Mom]

Cindy:

I would be willing to help. I don't have much time, but let me know what I can do

[corgimom]

http://www.egressetch.com/WisconsinPFL/actionplan.html

If anyone in Wisconsin wants to click on the link above, it will direct them on how to get in touch with Government officials in regards to this.

Just thought I would post this

[glencorgi]

I know many will find my response to this thread a bit shocking, but it seems many of you are about to embark on a very complex path and I advise you to be very careful about what you are advocating and open your eyes to all potential ramifications.

First you better define puppymill. The context being used here is the commercial breeding industry.

Already there has been a lot of misinformation and inaccurate statements passed along. Just from the article: http://www.lowellsun.com/letters/ci_4196072

Why do Massachusetts and New Hampshire pet stores keep supporting the puppy-mill trade?

Answer - because there is a shortage of pet animals in the Northeast due to the restrictive anti-breeder legislation that has been passed. In Massachusetts this year there was legislation proposed this year with language that said anyone breeding one (that is ONE) litter would be a commercial breeder. (AKA - puppymill - the equivalent of Hunte). So no wonder Breeders are reluctant to have more litters than they want something from to continue on with a very limited breeding program.

Ms. Capone also shows that she didn't do a lot of fact checking for her piece. $500 as beginning retail for a pet shop puppy - not likely.

USDA licensed breeders - those selling to Hunte are subject to federal regulations as set up under the animal welfare act. Missouri (or Mizzery as it is called in some rescue circles and the animal righters) has more inspectors than any other state. There are guidelines in place - laws which must be adhered to.

In order to make a profit and cover costs, corners must be cut, and puppies must be churned out at a furious rate.

This only illustrates how little Ms. Capone knows about reproductive cycles and breeding and bless your heart Nikki, you're understanding is about as poor. Dogs do not have the long term maternal feeling that you are crediting them with. Don't anthropomorphize dogs - they are dogs and do not think and feel the same ways as humans do. You do them a great disservice to do this.

Another inaccurate statement by Ms. Capone:
If you want to know where to go to buy a dog, you can log on to the AKC Web site. There you will find a list of certified breeders.

AKC does NOT certify breeders nor do they give a list of them. They do have a classified section where breeders can list (for a fee) litters for sale, but the way you will find reputable breeders there is when they are attempting to do education and advising against purchasing a puppy in such a way. IF someone claims to be an AKC "certified" or "registered" breeder, I suggest you run, not walk away - because they've already told one lie.

Ms. Capone again caught:
If not for the practice of these puppy mills and broker companies like Hunte, we would not have the overpopulation of dogs like we do now,

In certain areas of the country there are actual shortages of dogs. As much as it grieves me to quote anything from HSUS, even their statistics on the number of purebred animals in shelters is at its highest 20%, with more recent figures at 17%. This means that over 80% of the dogs in animal shelters are mutts and despite what they are labeled as XYZ mix - the odds of one parent being breed X and the other breed Y are very slim. Yet who is getting the blame? - breeders of purebred animals and that blame does extend to the reputable breeding community. All of my rescue corgis had owners at one time, I'm not up to my eyeballs with this recent glut of corgis needing to find homes because of breeders. It is not an overpopulation problem, it is an owner retention and responsibility problem.

In the original post in this thread, it was advised "...get in touch with animal rights groups. "

You best learn and understand what the animal rights movement is about before you get in bed with them. The Reader's Digest version is the animal rights movement wants the end of ALL animal use, and that includes pets - our corgis.


more in a part 2

Debbie

[glencorgi]

http://www.pet-law.com/

What is ‘Animal Rights’
...and why should you care?

Imagine that some people think we humans just aren’t good enough to own or use animals. In fact they’re so convinced of this that they have formed large organizations that work tirelessly around the clock and around the world to eliminate animal farming, eating of meat, use of animals in research, hunting, circuses, zoos, and yes, as pets.


This isn’t just a bad dream -- it’s real. Those people are called the ‘animal rights’ movement. While there probably aren’t more than a thousand people in the U.S. who accept the whole idea -- that humans should be completely separated from our animals even if that means that many species become extinct -- they are supported by many more who support important parts of the movement.

For example many believe that eating meat is wrong. Some think that medical research using animals is unnecessary and cruel. Other thousands believe most pet owners are irresponsible. And it is those people, the ones who support small parts of animal rights, who are carrying the movement forward.

This is America: It is our right to believe whatever we want and to try to convince others of what we believe. However the AR movement goes beyond that. The biggest thing they do is pass laws that make animal use, breeding, and ownership steadily harder and more costly.

This happens in several steps:

1. They invent problems or magnify small ones. The real problems generally are much less than the good that comes from the same activity but what we are told about is only the problem.

For example: “Hunting is cruel and unnecessary” -- never mind that for many species hunting is a main way of controlling population to prevent starvation and other problems.

“‘Pet overpopulation’ leads to the tragedy of euthanasia” -- although the animal shelter euthanasia rate has been falling steadily for decades, is probably now only 10-15% of what it was 30 years ago and many areas of the country now actually have a shortage of dogs.

“Pet breeders are just exploiting animals for money” -- although if there were no breeders there would be no pets, and it’s almost impossible to make money if you breed as a hobby.

“Animals are dangerous and cause human health problems” -- though most of us have pets, serious problems are rare and study after study shows that pet owners are happier, have lower stress levels, and may live longer than other people.

“Animal farming is cruelty” -- though cruelty is already illegal and the practices being attacked are ancient and often inspected and specifically approved by the government.

The attack will always fall where most people will say “Oh -- that’s not something I do” or “That’s not important.” Only 7% of the population hunts, something like 2% farms, and much less than 1% breeds dogs at home. Because many important animal practices are unfamiliar to most of us, we may not see what’s wrong with these AR campaigns.

2. The animal rightists batter public officials to ‘solve’ these problems. Although they are a small minority, they never stop complaining.

Los Angeles, for example, is on its fourth well qualified animal control director in five years. Why? Because no director delivered the ‘no kill’ shelter they demand -- an unattainable goal for a properly run municipal shelter in a large city. The shelter’s statistics are not bad and they are improving rapidly -- but that’s not good enough.

3. When officials say “Okay, tell us what to do,” the ARs are there with examples of laws passed in other places. They cite misleading or phoney statistics, even outright lies about the success of the law and if pressed on the issue, simply repeat their views.

For example when they’re proclaiming “horrible pet overpopulation” they promote laws requiring all pets to be spayed or neutered and requirements for hobby breeders to get expensive licenses and permits. “This law was a big success in San Mateo County,” they say.

If you tell them “This law did not work in San Mateo County” they say “This law was a big success in San Mateo.”

If you answer “But the shelter euthanasia numbers went UP in San Mateo” they say “This law was a big success in San Mateo.”

Surprisingly, when the subject is unfamilar, the bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it. This ‘big lie’ tactic isn't often encountered by lawmakers and since doing independent research is time-consuming for them, they usually end by accepting the lies.

4. Since the new laws never solve the ‘problem,’ the ARs seek greater punishments and new laws that will help enforce the old ones, such as a requirement for all pets to be microchipped with the numbers in a government database. They talk only of the good effects -- “This will help more lost pets get home” -- although the real purpose is to catch people who are violating their other laws.


They can nearly always find important organizations that will support the proposal because (for example) “Veterinarians can’t be against a law that just improves enforcement of something that’s already the law.” (Quote from legislative liaison of the Virginia Veterinary Medical Association when the VVMA supported an animal rights bill requiring veterinarians to report rabies vaccinations -- with owner's name and address, breed, spay/neuter status, etc to county treasurers.)

5. As one law becomes common, the next step begins -- go back to #1, above.
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Here are some quotes from leaders in the AR movement:

Ingrid Newkirk, president and co-founder of PETA: “I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don’t have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again but at least I wouldn’t be harming anything.”

Michael W. Fox, Scientific Director and former Vice President of HSUS: “Man is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish, and unethical animal on earth.”

"Les U. Knight" (pseudonym), "Voluntary Human Extinction," Wild Earth, Vol. 1,
No. 2 “If you haven’t given voluntary human extinction much thought before, the idea of a world with no people in it may seem strange. But, if you give it a chance, I think you might agree that the extinction of Homo sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species ... Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.”

Wayne Pacelle, President of HSUS: "One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding."
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This is sick stuff: The truth is that animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy.

There are no longer any nationally known organizations that just want good care for animals; from 1980-on, they were all taken over by animal rights zealots who continue to operate them under the "animal welfare" banner.

Today, HSUS, PETA, the ASPCA and dozens of less familiar organizations spend about $200 million a year sent by people who want to help animals, working against animal ownership. Never give money to any of these organizations! If you want to give to help animals, give directly to your local animal shelter: they nearly always use contributions to provide real care, and they always need more than they get.

What’s going on is a quiet, mostly non-violent war for the future of America. The major battles are just starting and will be fought and won by one side or the other over the next five to 10 years. For example, between the end of 2005 and mid-2006, Long Beach California, Los Angeles County, and Albuquerque, New Mexico all passed new laws making it much more difficult to own and breed pets. Each of these new laws was in turn the worst ever seen in the U.S. and we are likely to see yet worse in the months ahead.

If those who believe that humans and animals belong together don’t turn the tide, then 20 years from now our country will have many fewer good pets and will be less happy and less prosperous than it is today. None of us asked for this war, but if we do not fight and win, the losses to future generations won’t be undone in a century.


Walt Hutchens
Timbreblue Whippets
Virginia

July, 2006

Now we'll move on to HSUS in part 3

Debbie