First Dog Show

[Samson]

Heidi! Amen.

[nrhareiner]

Originally Posted by taflar

Addressed this in the other thred too. But yes, we are susposed to be showing our "breeding stock". Which is why dogs have to be intact to show.

If you don't breed then there isn't a next generation. You can't continue to have shows if there is nothing to show. The AKC supports purebred dogs and showing as a hobby.

Peggy

I really disagree with AKC stance on this. IF they where not so tight on show results, dog win records, and get of sire and produce of dam records. There is no reason why you should not be able to show an altered dog. You are still proving breeding stock just in a differnt way.

There would still be enough intact animals to use in breeding programs.

For a beginner in showing dogs I could have used one of my friends retiered females that she has altered and has up for addoption. I could have taken a dog that knows the lay of the land in the ring and I would have not had to worry about both of use learning. However this is not posible as she alteres her retiered dogs. It is done all the time with showing horses. Best thing you can do if you are learning the ins and out is to go get a old war horse (no pun intended) and he will teach you. Most of these horses are geldings. They are still proving a breeding program and crosses.

Heidi

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I did arive early and asked a bunch of questions and was traeted like I was an iritent and they just wanted rid of me.

Who did you ask the questions? I'm not going to make excuses, no one should have been rude, I agree. Just wondering if it was club members or the superindentent.

And are they questions we might answer for you here?

There was a couple at the show looking at differnt breeds of dogs as they wanted to buy a pup and needed info and they thought, nievly, that this would be a good place to ask questions.

A dog show is a good place to see dogs and talk to breeders. And if you run into a breeder that's rude, then you've learned that's not someone you want to work with. Talk to someone else. Start by asking when would be a good time to talk to them. Usually most will be more than willing once they are done showing. Some get nervous and some need time to warm up their dogs or to watch what's going on in the ring.

What I over hurd come out of her mouth was so rude and nasty I can not repeat it here.

People should not be using that type of language, especially at ringside.

Second this is not by far my first experianse showing. It is with dogs but I have been showing for over a decade in NRHA (governing body of the sport of Reining).

Dog shows are different than horse shows. I've been showing dogs quite awhile but a horse show would be a whole new ballgame for me. I would not expect it to be the same as dog showing.

There is no reason for people to act like that. I know there are people in horses that do ....

People are human and I suspect it happens in all sports. No they shouldn't be that way, but there are always some that are. Just avoid them.

There are people in the dog show fancy that will be willing to help you too. You were just unfortunate that you didn't run into any of them at this particular show.

Where do you live? There might be a corgi club near you that you can get involved with.

Peggy

[nrhareiner]

I aksed questions of not only the show secritary but of the a guy I know from the local all breed club who was on the show commitie. Not one person gave me the info that helped me find where I needed to be and what was given was incorrect. They where supost to have a new exibitors orientation and when I tried to find out where that was was when I was really treated badly. Knowing that I was oviously new they should have gone out of their way to help or find someone who could. Never did find that orientation.

Yes I agree that there is a differnce between dogs shows and horse show but the one thing that should be the same is there should be people who can help the newbies. I know if you want into the show office at a horse show and said "hay I am new to all this and I need some info and help" 98% of all shows would find you someone to help or they would take the time to answeer any questions you have. Heck I have gone into the show office at large AQHA and NRHA shows and have had questions and have had people in the office spend 10-15 min or more helping me get things correct. There is a central office at horse shows that have people who know what is going on in every aspect of the show. I did not see that at this dog show. No one knew what was going on. The right hand did not know what the left hand was doing. More over I am not sure any one of the fingers on the same hand knew what was going on.

Also I am in NW Ohio and I have tried to find a Corgi club close to me and the best I can find is about 3 hours. There is a Golden Club and I also have a golden pup and there is the all breed club here that has their own building. However you can not join if you are not sponsered and you have to be heavly involved and with everything ealse I have going on that may not be posible. I am a life member of both NRHA and AQHA. Pay your dues and get all the info you will ever need.

Heidi

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I really disagree with AKC stance on this. IF they where not so tight on show results, dog win records, and get of sire and produce of dam records. There is no reason why you should not be able to show an altered dog. You are still proving breeding stock just in a differnt way.

What do you mean if they were not so tight with show results? Results are available in a number of places. And you can get a dogs point record at the AKC site.

They've had a rule for a long time about breeding records, get of sire and dam being private information. And now days with the AR movement the way it is, it might be a good thing.

In some ways I agree with you about altered animals and in some ways I don't. The AKC's policy is that we should be showing breeding stock. You can't breed an altered dog.

As for starting with a dog that is as new to showing as you are, well, most of us started that way. My husband and I begin with a puppy too. That's how most start.

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I aksed questions of not only the show secritary but of the a guy I know from the local all breed club who was on the show commitie.

I will admit that some superindentents have friendiler and more helpful staff than others. And the same with clubs.

They where supost to have a new exibitors orientation and when I tried to find out where that was was when I was really treated badly.

Could you explain more about this, I've not seen a club offer a new exhibitors orientation. At a show I was at recently there was an exhibitors seminar before the show begin. I didn't make it as it was earlier than we wanted to be on the site. (We were showing later in the day.) This was something new and put on by the AKC not by the club or the superindentent.

Knowing that I was oviously new they should have gone out of their way to help or find someone who could. Never did find that orientation.

Yes, I agree they should not have been rude, but not sure I agree they should have gone out of their way. Answering quesitons should have been part of their duties. They shouldn't have to go out of their way for you or anyone.

Yes I agree that there is a differnce between dogs shows and horse show but the one thing that should be the same is there should be people who can help the newbies.

It's never been that way. I had the guidence of my breeder and your breeder should be your mentor. Maybe go to the next show with your breeder?

There is a central office at horse shows that have people who know what is going on in every aspect of the show. I did not see that at this dog show.

There is no "central office" at dog shows. Like we said, volunteer help.

Also I am in NW Ohio and I have tried to find a Corgi club close to me and the best I can find is about 3 hours.

Well, I'd consider that pretty close. The closest one to me is 10 hours away.

There is a Golden Club and I also have a golden pup and there is the all breed club here that has their own building. However you can not join if you are not sponsered and you have to be heavly involved and with everything ealse I have going on that may not be posible.

All kennel clubs, breed specific or all breed usually require sponsors. They are not that hard to come by. Usually you just go to the meetings and after you've attended the required number someone will be willing to sponsor you.

And as for involvment, there are all levels of involvment. Some who never attend meetings, some who are there every week, some who hold offices, some who only help out at shows, and those involved in all of the aspects of a club. I'm sure there would be a place for you. Just go to a meeting and ask.

I am a life member of both NRHA and AQHA. Pay your dues and get all the info you will ever need.

You have to be a member of a dog club a long time to be a life member. Or have been a founding memeber of the club. Some clubs you can pay dues and get newsletters and that's all they ask. Others want to know you're serious and ask for you to attend some meetings at least. Depends on the club.

Have you tried to join the corgi club? Might not be as hard as you think. You can even join some out of your area at times. Some have "associate" memebers. Meaning they send you newsletters and don't expet you to come to meetings since you live too far away.

Peggy

[nrhareiner]

I see no reason why get of sire and produce of dam should be privet. You should be able to pull a dogs name and pull a report that will give how many points they have where the point where earned and who they competed againts. It should also tell you the judges. You should also know what each dog was bred too and the resulting pups registed and what they have done. This is truely good info in many ways not only for someone picking a pup if they wish to show but also in breeding crosses. Some lines cross better then others.

Also I have not found any place where you can get any of this info. Now I do know that if you want to pay you can get some show results but I do not find that is enough. If I am looking at a pup I should be able to pull all info on every dog in that pups pedigree and there is no way to do that.

As for showing breeding stock. If an altered dog is shown and does well that is proving breeding stock. The dogs parents. It also proves that cross. Does this cross work well or was it just a fluck? These are all things that can be determined if you can resurch pedigrees and get and produce reports.

Heidi

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I see no reason why get of sire and produce of dam should be privet.

First it's always been that way with the AKC.

Now days, I prefer that not just anyone can find out how many puppies my dogs have had. Too easy for some AR nut to come do my dogs harm. And yes it has happened!

You should be able to pull a dogs name and pull a report that will give how many points they have where the point where earned and who they competed againts.

You can get the points on line at American Kennel Club Online Store - Shop for dog related products for your breed or breeds.

You can pay for a report of all the dogs shows and placements if you want.

And the superindentents have the results on line.
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I think that covers them.

It should also tell you the judges.

The superindentes post catalog pages, judges name is listed. The report you can oreder from the AKC gives the judges names too.

You should also know what each dog was bred too and the resulting pups registed and what they have done.

Why would you need to know that? And you can ask the breeders or the owners.

This is truely good info in many ways not only for someone picking a pup if they wish to show but also in breeding crosses. Some lines cross better then others.

True, and we as breeders do our homework here, it's not handed to us. We talk to people, collect pedigrees., etc. It's knowledge that comes with time and experience. None of it was handed to us on a silver platter.

And there are some on line sites where you can find pedigrees. Not many yet, but some.

As for showing breeding stock. If an altered dog is shown and does well that is proving breeding stock. The dogs parents.

That argument has been made in the past. So far it's only intact dogs that can be shown.

These are all things that can be determined if you can resurch pedigrees and get and produce reports.

And breeders do research these things. We network, we talk on line, over the phone, at shows, etc. Talk to your breeder. I got my first collection of pedigrees from the breeder I started in dogs with.

Many sites of breeders will have pedigrees on their sites too.

Peggy

[nrhareiner]

All of the horse shows are also volunteer run. Yet there is a central office and everyone knows what is going on. now there are affiliates that put on better shows then others but they still know what is going on on the grounds. Most of the show you can enter the day of the show.

The book the lady litterally tossed at me on the front it says DSSA which I am not sure what it stands for then under that is says New Exhibitor Orientation Brochure and there was supost to be a meeting where they explane everything that is going on and answeer any questions that you may have. There was a place on the entrie form to check if this was your first show.

Should the show volunteers go out of their way to help new people. To some extent yes. If they help the newbies and get them at least familiar what what it going on and point them in the correct direction and make them feel if they have other questions to come and ask it would go a long way to getting more new poeple involved.

Like I stated earlier about one of the top NRHA trainers offering to help me. This was about 5-6 years ago. It was my first year really showing in NRHA. I had a trainer but she was helping anouther client and I was having problems right then and there. By him helping me. Going out of his way stoping what he was doing with the horse he was working. He mad me feel like I mattered. That NRHA and the other competitors carred how I did that day. He knew if I had a good experiance I would continue to show and buy new horses and new prospects. By doing this I am helping NRHA to grow and eventurally will trickle down to him. NRHA has grown stedally over the past 40 years of existance and is now an international event and on track to be an olympic event in 2012. This is all b/c the top trainers, breeders and owners are ready to help the newbie.

Maybe I am just somewhat spoiled in some ways. I have also had my rude people in showing horses but that is more disapline related then horse related at times.

I did e mail my friend who is also the breeder of my corgi and I am hopping that if I deside to show again in July she will be able to come down and show at the same show. She was not able to show this weekend b/c she wanted to be home as one of her dogs is expecting a litter here real soon.

Heidi

[nrhareiner]

Why do I want to see what each dog has produced? Why do I want to see all crosses and how they have produced? B/C some lines cross better then others. Some dogs will produce better females them males and so on.

Here is an example of a just one type of report I can pull up on a horse. This is what I would like to see for dogs.

Not sure how it will come out so I hope you can see what I am talking about.

This is part of a get of sire report for a stallion by the name of Gun Start. You can see the mares he has been breed to the sire of the dams the resulting foals and what the foals have done and where. You can also pull up a detailed show report for each horse in question and if they are being used for breeding you can see what they have been crossed on and what they have produced.

Heidi

REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
1525303 GUN START BAY STALLION 04/01/1979 OH


Additional Horse Information for GUN START:

Genetic Typed
SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
1213973 BEAU GUNNER 0752745 PRICE'S START 0227368 JUNO SNORT RED


DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS
BREEDER: EARL AND/OR GALE COX MIDDLETOWN, OH
OWNER: BRYAN MAAS PARKSTON, SD

AQHA Show Totals for GUN START LAST SHOW OPEN
HALTER OPEN PERFORM AMATEUR HALTER AMATEUR PERFORM YOUTH HALTER YOUTH PERFORM NOVICE AMATEUR NOVICE YOUTH EQ W/ DISAB
06/1987 .0 24.0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0

AQHA/Alliance Totals for GUN START
Accuracy and completeness of information are the responsibility of each alliance. NATIONAL REINING HORSE ASSOCIATION $ 4,695.13 Earned thru 11/17/1984

Achievements for GUN START YEAR TYPE DESCRIPTION
1983 OPEN WORLD SHOW JR REINING 3rd PLACE
1983 OPEN PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

GUN START'S Performing Offspring



NARA GUNNER 2284225 Black Mare 06/01/1984
Dam- TWINKLE JOE RIO 0455702 Damsire- TRIPLE TWINKLE 0199271
Show: 06/1987 Open- H- .0 P- 1.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0

RWD START 2286987 Sorrel Gelding 04/01/1984
Dam- POCOTALICO 0715576 Damsire- DART'S ZERO BAR 0451836
Show: 09/1992 Open- H- .0 P- 20.5 Amateur- H- .0 P- .5 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
Novice Amateur- P- 2.0 Novice Youth- P- .0 Eq w/ Disabilities- P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 78,022.90 Earned thru 11/05/1989
Achievement: 1992 OPEN QUALIFIED SR REINING WORLD SHOW
Achievement: 1992 OPEN PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

GUN STARTS REMO 2438131 Bay Stallion 04/01/1985 1996 Breeding Season Incentive Fund Stallion; Genetic Typed
Dam- MERRY JESSIE 0573240 Damsire- JESSIE JAMES 0002257
Show: 11/1992 Open- H- .0 P- 17.5 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 2,332.23 Earned thru 07/06/1991
Achievement: 1991 OPEN PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

THE FASTEST START 2415772 Bay Gelding 06/01/1985
Dam- LADY SUGAR PIU 0970658 Damsire- SUGAR JAGUAR 0721436
Show: 11/1998 Open- H- .5 P- 1.5 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .5 P- 199.0
Novice Amateur- P- .0 Novice Youth- P- 138.5 Eq w/ Disabilities- P- .0
Achievement: 1995 YOUTH PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 1992 YOUTH PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 1990 YOUTH PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

GUN STARTS TOP GUN 2570983 Deceased Sorrel Gelding 04/01/1986
Dam- THIRD LIZ 0906454 Damsire- CONTINENTAL KING 0081640
Show: 03/2001 Open- H- .0 P- 34.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- 23.5 Youth- H- .0 P- 22.0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 11,122.99 Earned thru 06/27/1999
Achievement: 1993 OPEN QUALIFIED SR REINING WORLD SHOW
Achievement: 1993 YOUTH PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 1993 OPEN PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 1990 AMATEUR PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

HANKS TOP GUN 2573322 Bay Gelding 04/01/1986
Dam- HEATHER HANK 1540620 Damsire- BROTHER HANK 0422259
Show: 07/1995 Open- H- .0 P- 5.5 Amateur- H- .0 P- 10.0 Youth- H- .0 P- 19.5
National Reining Horse Association: $ 366.31 Earned thru 09/19/1993
Achievement: 1995 AMATEUR PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 1991 YOUTH HIGH POINT REINING 8th PLACE
Achievement: 1991 YOUTH PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

MS MAGNUM FORCE 2547788 Bay Mare 05/06/1986
Dam- HARVS FANCY GAL 1994813 Damsire- BROTHER HARV 0998384
Show: 07/1989 Open- H- .0 P- 2.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 243.24 Earned thru 05/30/1990

DADS SMOKIN GUN 2764976 Black Mare 02/01/1988
Dam- LOOK'S MISS POKEY 0648447 Damsire- INDIANA LOOK 0100024
Show: 05/1992 Open- H- .0 P- 4.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0

GUN START GAL 2792935 Red Dun Mare 03/01/1989
Dam- POCOTALICO 0715576 Damsire- DART'S ZERO BAR 0451836
Show: 04/1994 Open- H- .0 P- 1.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 1,579.42 Earned thru 04/21/1994

[nrhareiner]

Here is anouther report. Take a look at this mares produce. Look at the stallions she has been bred too. Do you see any thing that striks you as consistant? If you say had anouther mare by this sire and now what this mare has produced and by who do you think this would be good info in helping you determen a breeding cross?

I can give you many many examples but just one is a mare I own. She has been showing and is now also being breed. B/C I know her breeding and I know what those lines have historically crossed well on and produced top winners. I have used this info when picking who I will breed her too. Same when I breed my old broodmare a few years ago. I know that Poco Bueno horses have a proven track record when crossed on Doc Bar bred horses. How do I know this? B/C I can pull recoreds that tell me this. I do not have to get this info second hand.

Heidi

REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
3047288 START AGAIN SORREL MARE 04/04/1991 OH


Additional Horse Information for START AGAIN:

Genetic Typed
Years of Embryo Enrollment for START AGAIN
2002, 2001, 2000

SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
1525303 GUN START 0715576 POCOTALICO 0451836 DART'S ZERO BAR


DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS
BREEDER: JOHN AND LINDA PAPE WILMINGTON, OH
OWNER: EVALINE M BADNARUK ELVERSON, PA

AQHA Show Totals for START AGAIN LAST SHOW OPEN
HALTER OPEN PERFORM AMATEUR HALTER AMATEUR PERFORM YOUTH HALTER YOUTH PERFORM NOVICE AMATEUR NOVICE YOUTH EQ W/ DISAB
12/1994 .0 1.0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0

AQHA/Alliance Totals for START AGAIN
Accuracy and completeness of information are the responsibility of each alliance. NATIONAL REINING HORSE ASSOCIATION $ 4,888.00 Earned thru 10/09/1994

START AGAIN'S Offspring



TARIFFIC 3456727 Sorrel Mare 04/17/1996 Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- TARIS CATALYST 1502100
Show: 07/2000 Open- H- .0 P- .0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 264.00 Earned thru 05/04/2001

SWF SUNSET STRIP 3550518 Palomino Gelding 04/27/1997 Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- HOLLYWOOD DUN IT 2086591
Show: 10/2006 Open- H- .0 P- .0 Amateur- H- .0 P- 16.0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
Novice Amateur- P- 9.0 Novice Youth- P- .0 Eq w/ Disabilities- P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 42,862.38 Earned thru 10/22/2006
Achievement: 2002 AMATEUR PERFORMANCE REGISTER OF MERIT

SWF KITTY HAWK 3738259 Chestnut Mare 05/03/1998 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- LENAS WRIGHT ON 3049621

WITH THANKS 4203340 Dun Mare 02/20/2001 Embryo Transfer; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- HOLLYWOOD DUN IT 2086591
Show: 04/2006 Open- H- .0 P- 1.0 Amateur- H- .0 P- .0 Youth- H- .0 P- .0
National Reining Horse Association: $ 2,266.05 Earned thru 09/07/2006

LETS START IT AGAIN 4420390 Palomino Stallion 01/15/2003 Embryo Transfer; Incentive Fund Foal; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- HOLLYWOOD DUN IT 2086591

GERMANS DUN IT 4509380 Bay Stallion 02/24/2003 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- HOLLYWOOD DUN IT 2086591

SMF HOLLYWOOD SUNSET 4647614 Bay Gelding 03/15/2004 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- MARTHAS MEGA JAC 3001166

START DREAMING AGAIN 4879788 Sorrel Mare 03/15/2005 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed; Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
Sire- MAGNUM CHIC DREAM 3450281


Summary of START AGAIN'S Offspring Reg Foals 8 Perf Foals 3 CYR Perf Foals 0
Race Age Foals 8

No Race Information


AQHA Show Summary All-time 2007 Total
Open Amateur Youth Open Amateur Youth
Halter Points .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0
Halter Point Earners 0 0 0 0 0 0
Performance Points 1.0 16.0 .0 .0 .0 .0
Perf Point Earners 1 1 0 0 0 0
Halter ROMS 0 0 0 0 0 0
Performance ROMS 0 1 0 0 0 0
AQHA Champions 0 0 0 0 0 0
Supreme Champions 0 0 0 0 0 0
Super Halter Awards 0 0 0 0 0 0
Super Perf Awards 0 0 0 0 0 0
Super Perf Earners 0 0 0 0 0 0
Show All Around Wins 0 0 0 0 0 0
Show All Around Winners 0 0 0 0 0 0
Show Res All Around Wins 0 0 0 0 0 0
Show Res All Around Winners 0 0 0 0 0 0

Accuracy and completeness of information are the responsibility of each alliance. AQHA/Alliance Summary All-time 2007 Total
Points Earned All Divisions Combined: 17.0 .0
Point Earners All Divisions Combined: 2 0
National Reining Horse Association $ 45,392.43 N/A

No AQHA Show Year End Award Information

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

All of the horse shows are also volunteer run. Yet there is a central office and everyone knows what is going on.

For me I'd go to the "catalog sales" area. Those are usually club members and usually have time to answer a question or two.

now there are affiliates that put on better shows then others but they still know what is going on on the grounds.

Well, if they didn't they should have.

Most of the show you can enter the day of the show.

That's never been true of AKC shows. They are all pre-entry. That way they can print the catalogs.

The book the lady litterally tossed at me on the front it says DSSA which I am not sure what it stands for then under that is says New Exhibitor Orientation Brochure and there was supost to be a meeting where they explane everything that is going on and answeer any questions that you may have. There was a place on the entrie form to check if this was your first show.

I've not seen anything like this. Nor have I ever heard of a new exhibitor orention. If there is a brochure then I'd guess it's put out by the AKC. And should be available on line too.

Should the show volunteers go out of their way to help new people. To some extent yes. If they help the newbies and get them at least familiar what what it going on and point them in the correct direction and make them feel if they have other questions to come and ask it would go a long way to getting more new poeple involved.

To me being polite and answering questions is not going out of their way. It's something they should be doing anyway. Going out of their way is for an unusual request or helping someone get dogs in from the grooming area, something like that. Something I would not normally expect.

Like I stated earlier about one of the top NRHA trainers offering to help me.

I have helped people. In fact I have groomed dogs of my comptators or given them tips on grooming. And I've gotten the same from them. I've held dogs for people, helped them get armbands changed, dogs in the ring, answered questions, etc. And not necessarily been a member of the show giving club. There ARE helpful people out there. Sorry you didn't find them the weekend you were showing.

I did e mail my friend who is also the breeder of my corgi and I am hopping that if I deside to show again in July she will be able to come down and show at the same show. She was not able to show this weekend b/c she wanted to be home as one of her dogs is expecting a litter here real soon.

And staying home with a litter due is expected too. I hope she can go to the next show you go to.

Peggy

[Peggy]

Originally Posted by nrhareiner

Why do I want to see what each dog has produced? Why do I want to see all crosses and how they have produced? B/C some lines cross better then others. Some dogs will produce better females them males and so on.

I understand that. And as I said that's something you learn by talking with other breeders.

IMO, you're jumping the gun. Your dog is a puppy. You can't get her OFA certified until she's two. By then you should know how she's doing in the show ring and if she's breeding material. And by then you should have been able to talk with her breeder and other breeders about possible studs that might cross well with her.

Right now your concern about sires and get and crosses smacks more of someone more intrested in breeding than showing. You've got time.

And no, that type of report isn't available on line for free. Sorry but that's how it is. I can't see it changing any time soon.

Horsemen have a better lobby and the AR people don't bother them. You're going to find that dog and cat breeding records are going to be even more hard to get as the Animal Rights people continue to try to outlaw breeding of dogs and cats and targeting breeders.

By target I mean causing problems for breeders, turning dogs loose, stealing puppies, turning breeders in to animal control for made up violations, etc. And as I said before it does and is happening.

Peggy

[Peggy]

Out of curiosity, what show did you go to? Maybe I can find someone who lives close by who can give me the scoop on that kennel club. Maybe I can find out for you if there's a reason they were so disorganized or if they're normally unfriendly as a rule.

Peggy